rec.autos.simulators

Hawaii MP Car Assignment Petition

David Marti

Hawaii MP Car Assignment Petition

by David Marti » Wed, 03 Jul 1996 04:00:00

If you haven't signed our petition please consider it.  Papyrus insists
that what we are asking for is not deliverable.  Let 'em know what you
want anyway.

http://www.racesimcentral.net/~ivl/hawaii_petition.html

Thanks, David Martin

Mike Carrother

Hawaii MP Car Assignment Petition

by Mike Carrother » Thu, 04 Jul 1996 04:00:00



>If you haven't signed our petition please consider it.  Papyrus
insists
>that what we are asking for is not deliverable.  Let 'em know what you
>want anyway.

>http://www.card.unc.edu/~ivl/hawaii_petition.html

>Thanks, David Martin

Papyrus wrote the sim, so I think they know what can and can not be
done. Do you think your little "petition" is going to change things?
Doubt it. Get over it. Better yet, write your own sim, and then you can
add your feature.

Until then, SHUT UP.

Mike

MNesevit

Hawaii MP Car Assignment Petition

by MNesevit » Thu, 04 Jul 1996 04:00:00

That shouldn't be a prob. sinse the two guys you named in your post are
not in NASCAR anyway. Better check the grammar :)

Chuck Stuar

Hawaii MP Car Assignment Petition

by Chuck Stuar » Thu, 04 Jul 1996 04:00:00


> If you haven't signed our petition please consider it.  Papyrus insists
> that what we are asking for is not deliverable.  Let 'em know what you
> want anyway.

> http://www.card.unc.edu/~ivl/hawaii_petition.html

> Thanks, David Martin

The images of Dale Ernhart's and Darral Waldrep's cars have been exclusivly licensed to
other game publishers. Papyrus/Sierra cannot allow images of those cars to run on the
Hawaii server because to do so would make them liable for copyright violations. Since
they can't have their lawyers setting there checking every car entered in each race for
possible copyright violations, they must control the car images. Why is that so
difficult to understand?

Chuck Stuart - Mesquite TX USA

Michael Kirt

Hawaii MP Car Assignment Petition

by Michael Kirt » Thu, 04 Jul 1996 04:00:00


>If you haven't signed our petition please consider it.  Papyrus insists
>that what we are asking for is not deliverable.  Let 'em know what you
>want anyway.
>http://www.card.unc.edu/~ivl/hawaii_petition.html
>Thanks, David Martin

I think this has already been proposed to Ed. And I think Ed has
already addressed this issue. Personally, I dont care one way or the
other as long as I have a quality racing sim and a quality network to
race it on.

BTW, i'm sure if you develop the code to achieve this and send it to
Ed he would take a look at it.

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Michael Kirton

Patrick L. Dots

Hawaii MP Car Assignment Petition

by Patrick L. Dots » Thu, 04 Jul 1996 04:00:00




>> If you haven't signed our petition please consider it.  Papyrus insists
>> that what we are asking for is not deliverable.  Let 'em know what you
>> want anyway.
>The images of Dale Ernhart's and Darral Waldrep's cars have been exclusivly licensed to
>other game publishers. Papyrus/Sierra cannot allow images of those cars to run on the
>Hawaii server because to do so would make them liable for copyright violations. Since
>they can't have their lawyers setting there checking every car entered in each race for
>possible copyright violations, they must control the car images. Why is that so
>difficult to understand?

The car paint jobs are applied on the users computer, not on Papyrus's
server.  All that is needed is a way for driver numbers on hawaii to be
assigned to a particular driver in league races.  The carset used is out
of Papyrus's control and they have no responsibility for it.  That
shouldn't be difficult to understand!
Eric T. Busc

Hawaii MP Car Assignment Petition

by Eric T. Busc » Thu, 04 Jul 1996 04:00:00


> That shouldn't be a prob. sinse the two guys you named in your post are
> not in NASCAR anyway. Better check the grammar :)

I don't think Chuck is that bad of a speller =)

He was just emphasizing his point about licensing and copyright issues,
hence the fictitious names that bare a remarkable resemble to those of
actual Winston Cup drivers.  I found it kinda humorous myself.

--

Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences
Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/
Hawaii Network UserName: Buschwick

Double Clut

Hawaii MP Car Assignment Petition

by Double Clut » Fri, 05 Jul 1996 04:00:00



Well, I think that's a bit misleading. What he wants could technically be done,
it would take time to download a new carset before every race though. The big
issue is copyright violation. Suppose I painted up a car with some corporate
logo on it, let's use Coca Cola as an example. Using their logo without
permission is illegal right there. Even if I could get consent to use the logo,
Papyrus would have to check every single new car, and i'm sure some people
would upload a new car every day or week. Again, it could be done, but it would
add to the cost of the service. I'll take a cheaper rate over an individualized
car any day of the week.

Someone mentioned the idea of having individualized taillight panels, so you
could personalize your car each race and people could identify you better. I
really really like this idea, it's doable (IMO) and a good compromise.

I also hope the Lenient Loans car from the Hawaii carset makes it into the
final online service, it's my favorite. :-)

Steve Bennet

Hawaii MP Car Assignment Petition

by Steve Bennet » Fri, 05 Jul 1996 04:00:00

  I've seen a number of negative posts directed to Papyrus  
lately,and I would like to voice my opinion.I'm sure I speak for
many,when I say to all of you at Papyrus,that no other software
company has provided us with anywhere near the amount of
enjoyment that you have.Your simulations are truly incredible
accomplishments.I for one,can appreciate the monumental amount
of time and effort it takes to create a program of this scope.
Making any simulator is a logistical nightmare,and racing is
especially difficult because of the large number of variables
that need to be dealt with.The fact that you have achieved this
goal with such a high level of success,is a tribute to your skill,
intelligence,and ingenuity.I am just one voice in a vast sea of
millions,but I hope you take some satisfaction in knowing that
you have given me a huge amount of pure pleasure.Thank-you
Papyrus,for all you have done,for all of us racing fans.

 Steve Bennetch

Chuck Stuar

Hawaii MP Car Assignment Petition

by Chuck Stuar » Sun, 07 Jul 1996 04:00:00



> > That shouldn't be a prob. sinse the two guys you named in your post are
> > not in NASCAR anyway. Better check the grammar :)

> I don't think Chuck is that bad of a speller =)

> He was just emphasizing his point about licensing and copyright issues,
> hence the fictitious names that bare a remarkable resemble to those of
> actual Winston Cup drivers.  I found it kinda humorous myself.

> --

> Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences
> Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/
> Hawaii Network UserName: Buschwick

Dale Earnhardt and Darrell Waltrip. OK? :-)

Chuck Stuart - Mesquite TX USA

Kenneth Howe

Hawaii MP Car Assignment Petition

by Kenneth Howe » Mon, 08 Jul 1996 04:00:00



> > If you haven't signed our petition please consider it.  Papyrus insists
> > that what we are asking for is not deliverable.  Let 'em know what you
> > want anyway.

> > http://www.card.unc.edu/~ivl/hawaii_petition.html

> > Thanks, David Martin

> The images of Dale Ernhart's and Darral Waldrep's cars have been exclusivly licensed to
> other game publishers. Papyrus/Sierra cannot allow images of those cars to run on the
> Hawaii server because to do so would make them liable for copyright violations. Since
> they can't have their lawyers setting there checking every car entered in each race for
> possible copyright violations, they must control the car images. Why is that so
> difficult to understand?

I don't think you understand completely. They are not asking for their own paintjobs or
even paintjobs of real drivers. What they are asking for, is that during League races,
racers will be able to pick the same car every week(what ever the paint scheme is).  That
way in a league you would be recognized by your car week after week.

KenH

Kenneth Howe

Hawaii MP Car Assignment Petition

by Kenneth Howe » Mon, 08 Jul 1996 04:00:00



> > If you haven't signed our petition please consider it.  Papyrus insists
> > that what we are asking for is not deliverable.  Let 'em know what you
> > want anyway.

> > http://www.card.unc.edu/~ivl/hawaii_petition.html

> > Thanks, David Martin

> The images of Dale Ernhart's and Darral Waldrep's cars have been exclusivly licensed to
> other game publishers. Papyrus/Sierra cannot allow images of those cars to run on the
> Hawaii server because to do so would make them liable for copyright violations. Since
> they can't have their lawyers setting there checking every car entered in each race for
> possible copyright violations, they must control the car images. Why is that so
> difficult to understand?

I don't think you understand completely. They are not asking for their own paintjobs or
even paintjobs of real drivers. What they are asking for, is that during League races,
racers will be able to pick the same car every week(what ever the paint scheme is).  That
way in a league you would be recognized by your car week after week.

KenH


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