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by **Tommi Pajar** » Fri, 06 Oct 1995 04:00:00

I have to agree, the AWE32 is a piece of junk and I'm really disappointed
in _both_ the MIDI sounds of it and the signal/noise ratio, which is
less than acceptable for a serious gamer. NASCAR sucks on it, with really
irritating noise on the background (you have to turn treble down to get
anything resembling clear sound), and the fiddling with the drivers one has
to go through is idiotic, for chrissakes, Roland has had hardware GM
combatibility since the SCC-1, which has been on sales since what, 1991?

Tommi Pajari (who is sorry to have paid 2KFIM for SB AWE32)

by **Tommi Pajar** » Fri, 06 Oct 1995 04:00:00

Ummm... what's 'the gravis grip'?

Tommi Pajari

by **Mike Carrothe** » Sat, 07 Oct 1995 04:00:00

>> >Gee...When your the best, everyone has to take their "shot"...

>> The AWE is the best? Since when? It's music quality and
>> price/performance has hardly been heralded, and from my experience
it
>> deserves the criticism, especially considering the price and the
fact
>> Creative was one of the few boards that required you to load 80K of
>> drivers to get General Midi compatibility which many board makers
were
>> able to do in hardware for far cheaper. Creative has this annoying
>> habit of making these bizarre cost-cutting decisions which really
>> don't make any sense in the long run (SB16 Value? Multi-CD?
>> SB-16Basic? Vibra? Sheesh!).

>I have to agree, the AWE32 is a piece of junk and I'm really
disappointed
>in _both_ the MIDI sounds of it and the signal/noise ratio, which is
>less than acceptable for a serious gamer. NASCAR sucks on it, with
really
>irritating noise on the background (you have to turn treble down to
get
>anything resembling clear sound), and the fiddling with the drivers
one has
>to go through is idiotic, for chrissakes, Roland has had hardware GM
>combatibility since the SCC-1, which has been on sales since what,
1991?

>Tommi Pajari (who is sorry to have paid 2KFIM for SB AWE32)

The MIDI samples and the MIDI emgine come from one of the leaders in
the MIDI keyboard industry (Emu systems Inc), been used for years by
serious musicians. S/N ratio is as good or better than every other card
out there. AS far as background noise in NASCAR, never heard it,
besides MIDI and WAVE are two different things. The only drivers that
are needed to get GM compatibility are for Windows, DOS drivers
(CONFIG.SYS) are not required. Those "bizzare cost-cutting decisions"
give the guys who can't afford to spend alot on their systems, a chance
to experience games like they were meant to be played.

As for the Roland card, excellent card, but $400 is a little steep for
***. But I guess you can't please everyone, someone will always
complain!!

Mike Carrothers (Who is happy with his AWE)

by **Mike Carrothe** » Sat, 07 Oct 1995 04:00:00

Carrothers) writes:

>>> >Gee...When your the best, everyone has to take their "shot"...

>>> The AWE is the best? Since when? It's music quality and
>>> price/performance has hardly been heralded, and from my experience
>it
>>> deserves the criticism, especially considering the price and the
>fact
>>> Creative was one of the few boards that required you to load 80K of
>>> drivers to get General Midi compatibility which many board makers
>were
>>> able to do in hardware for far cheaper. Creative has this annoying
>>> habit of making these bizarre cost-cutting decisions which really
>>> don't make any sense in the long run (SB16 Value? Multi-CD?
>>> SB-16Basic? Vibra? Sheesh!).

>>I have to agree, the AWE32 is a piece of junk and I'm really
>disappointed
>>in _both_ the MIDI sounds of it and the signal/noise ratio, which is
>>less than acceptable for a serious gamer. NASCAR sucks on it, with
>really
>>irritating noise on the background (you have to turn treble down to
>get
>>anything resembling clear sound), and the fiddling with the drivers
>one has
>>to go through is idiotic, for chrissakes, Roland has had hardware GM
>>combatibility since the SCC-1, which has been on sales since what,
>1991?

>>Tommi Pajari (who is sorry to have paid 2KFIM for SB AWE32)

>The MIDI samples and the MIDI emgine come from one of the leaders in
>the MIDI keyboard industry (Emu systems Inc), been used for years by
>serious musicians. S/N ratio is as good or better than every other
card
>out there. AS far as background noise in NASCAR, never heard it,
>besides MIDI and WAVE are two different things. The only drivers that
>are needed to get GM compatibility are for Windows, DOS drivers
>(CONFIG.SYS) are not required. Those "bizzare cost-cutting decisions"
>give the guys who can't afford to spend alot on their systems, a
chance
>to experience games like they were meant to be played.

>As for the Roland card, excellent card, but $400 is a little steep for
>***. But I guess you can't please everyone, someone will always
>complain!!

>Mike Carrothers (Who is happy with his AWE)

Follow-up to my last post...You DO need to load AWEUTIL...12K of upper
mem...Oh well...The price you pay for flexability.

Mike Carrothers

by **Frederick Y M** » Sat, 07 Oct 1995 04:00:00

>The MIDI samples and the MIDI emgine come from one of the leaders in
>the MIDI keyboard industry (Emu systems Inc), been used for years by
>serious musicians. S/N ratio is as good or better than every other card
>out there. AS far as background noise in NASCAR, never heard it,
>besides MIDI and WAVE are two different things. The only drivers that
>are needed to get GM compatibility are for Windows, DOS drivers
>(CONFIG.SYS) are not required. Those "bizzare cost-cutting decisions"
>give the guys who can't afford to spend alot on their systems, a chance
>to experience games like they were meant to be played.
>As for the Roland card, excellent card, but $400 is a little steep for
>***. But I guess you can't please everyone, someone will always
>complain!!
>Mike Carrothers (Who is happy with his AWE)

From what I know, the patches themselves were not designed by E-mu.
Maybe the samples came from them. The Roland will cost about $200 US
for the SCD-15 or about $150 SCD-10. Apparently the new Yamaha DBXG50
(or some such name) is better and costs about $170 (newer technology).

The AWE lacks very much in percussion. I know, I play drums and also
make the NEWGM 8MB AWE patchset.

AWE stuff
ftp.***works.net
ftp.inc.net
ftp.lysator.liu.se

--

http://www.racesimcentral.net/~fmah

by **Dave Gl** » Sun, 08 Oct 1995 04:00:00

>Well I neither a friend or foe of diamond, but yesterday I saw a demo
>of Nascar racing on a tv show. One of Nascar unaccelerated. The second
>of Nascar accelerated with a card run with the NVidia chip. There was
>no difference at all in the frame rate!!!!! They said you can't see a
>difference because they run both on a pentium. The graphics weren't
>smooth at all. Isn't that supposed to be at an accelerated game. I
>think its because of the lack of Z-buffer of the nvidia chip and
>because of the lack of nornal poliygon acceleration which Nascar still
>uses not the strange NVidia algorithm. I still don't know what to
>think about the card.

Which is why I, and others, while praising the feature list of the
Edge, have always stated "wait and _see_ the games" before making any
commitment. Nascar wasn't impressive on the Millenium either, perhaps
this was a quick n dirty port or the Nvidia is just not that powerful,
I'll judge when I see it myself. But since when did a Pentium run
Nascar in SVGA at the maximum frame rate? Pretty dissapointing.

by **Angelo v.d. Weerden (Weer..** » Mon, 09 Oct 1995 04:00:00

Hi,
Did you really saw the edge???
How is it like??

I have some questions about this card, maybe they have
been already asked but anyway...

1. Does this card replace my ET4000/W32p or does
the Edge operate next to the ET4000.

2. When is the edge for sale, and how much will it cost.

3. Which games will use these cards, does older game
like TFX use them, or only the newest (specially written
FOR the Edge) use the Edge.

Hope you can answer this questions, because I wanted to
buy a sony playstation, but with the edge in mind I will
wait a few weeks....

grtx from the Netherlands,
Angelo

by **Dave Gl** » Wed, 11 Oct 1995 04:00:00

>Because of the fact that I am totally lazy when it comes to describing stuff
>(even with my girlfriend) give customer service a call, and ask for the
>'spiff sheet' for the Edge. I really don't know where to start, but the
>quality is excellent (workmanship, performance, etc...) I am very impressed.
>You can also call the sales fax-back to get some answers.

Eric, we've been discussing the Edge for weeks. Everyone knows it's
"specs" by now. Specs mean little to real-world performance,
especially the Edge which computes 3D graphics in a way no other
accelerator does, so even the Specs hardly help us.

by **Don't Read Th** » Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:00:00

>The edge can play multiple wave files at the same time. Something the awe
>can't do. I've seen the edge, it is ***ing awesome!
>-Eric

Hi Eric

How much is the 3D Edge? How many MB of RAM does it come with? Is it 64 or 128 bits?

Cheers

Chris

by **Dave Gl** » Mon, 16 Oct 1995 04:00:00

>hey did any of you guys notice the email header on that post?f

> ^^^^^^^^^^

>to say that is a biased post is a huge
>understatement
>when techieswho very very often ignore email
>problem reports go live on usenet take eveything
>they say with apinch of salt

Wow, didn't notice that. Pretty pathetic, really. Regardles, the
pics in the Diamond Edge ad in PC Gamer do far more damage to the
product that an immature employee baiting the public.

by **Tommi Pajar** » Mon, 16 Oct 1995 04:00:00

I know that EMU can do good samples... the ones on the AWE are compressed
into 1 MB though... and that's why they suck.

Never heard it? then you must either be A. deaf, or B. not in possession
of proper HIFI equipment.

First: both MIDI & WAVE suffer from the crappy S/N ratio (caused, i think,
by the cheap mixer on the AWE)

Second: (have not tested this so not 100% sure) the drivers that AWE loads
in config.sys are for DOS programs... Windows does not need them. I read
this from the manual.. so i guess it should be true...

Sure... it's a mediocre card for someone who cannot afford better...
I was just pointing out that it's definitely not the best as someone said
earlier...

And: I will complain as long as I can't buy proper equipment for playing
Papyrus games <***ed?>

Tommi Pajari

by **Grady E. Mill** » Tue, 17 Oct 1995 04:00:00

Funny, I've got a friend that works over at Diamond, and while he says that the Edge is a nice card and comparible to the Millenium, it will be a close call and the Millenium would probably come out ahead (he has a 4 meg Millenium and has had extensive use of the 3D Edge card at work). If the 3D Edge does come out significantly ahead of the Millenium, I might pick one up. But if it's only a little faster, what's the point? Most people are buying faster video cards like the Millenium and the Edge for gam
ing purposes, and for awhile not many games are going to take advantage of what either of these cards have to offer. My P90 with a 4 meg Millenium blazes past any P120's I've played with in *** just because it has the Millenium in it, and that impresses me enough to keep it for awhile. I would encourage people not to run out and return their Millenium just because Diamond is preaching about their card. As a Tech support person for a leading operating system company (actually, probably "the" leading o
s company), I've seen the problems that Diamond has keeping up with drivers and compatibility (the fact that the Diamond MultiMedia 4000 is COMPLETELY incompatible with almost everything you can throw at it comes to mind), and this makes me VERY weary of Diamond to say the least. If, when their Edge card comes out, I see good results and compatibility, then I'll consider it, but for now Diamond is right up there with Gravis for me. They seem to leave good customers in the dust for would-be customers in t
here future that they can make more money off of. Money is the name of the game, true, but who's more likely to buy something from them, a previously satisfied customer or someone who has heard from many people that Diamond tech support, product support, and driver support is lacking sorely.

Just my thoughts, and please, flame me here if you're going to flame since this is not my account but I do read s groullthis gro

: >> I got a demo of the Edge, and I was totally floored! I think everyone in the
: >tech support dept wants one. The matrox doesn't even come close.
: >

: DETAILS, DETAILS! What did you see, what system was it on, what
: resolution/colour depth, frame rate, the approximate humidity factor,
: etc.

by **Eri** » Tue, 17 Oct 1995 04:00:00

> >hey did any of you guys notice the email header on that post?f

> > ^^^^^^^^^^

> >to say that is a biased post is a huge
> >understatement
> >when techieswho very very often ignore email
> >problem reports go live on usenet take eveything
> >they say with apinch of salt

> Wow, didn't notice that. Pretty pathetic, really. Regardles, the
> pics in the Diamond Edge ad in PC Gamer do far more damage to the
> product that an immature employee baiting the public.

In case you were all wondering, I could care less if you buy the card. It is a
free contry and you can buy what ever you want. I was sending you all e-mail
to be friendly, to pass on info on what I know. I regret sending any e-mail to
add to the info, since you do nothing but cry like babies because I don't all
the free time in the world to answer all of your trivial questions.

-Take it easy Mr Glue...

by **Dave Gl** » Sun, 22 Oct 1995 04:00:00

>In case you were all wondering, I could care less if you buy the card. It is a
>free contry and you can buy what ever you want. I was sending you all e-mail
>to be friendly, to pass on info on what I know. I regret sending any e-mail to
>add to the info, since you do nothing but cry like babies because I don't all
>the free time in the world to answer all of your trivial questions.

What "info" was that? You came on here, posted "I was blown away",
then refused to give any details, because you were "too lazy".

You didn't answer all of our "trivial" questions. You didn't answer
one. Thankfully, I've talked with Nvidia and Diamond reps who are
fare more mature. I'm sure your company would be delighted your
boasting about the product, then refusing to answer questions, and
then calling inquiries about their new product "trivial". Gee, the
Edge must be quite inferior if you are already disgregarding potential
customers in this manner.

***y twit.

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