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> And after that, (and a CART sim of course) I would love to see NASCAR
> Legends 2--same year as the first one, re-done with the new engine.

> Marc

> > GPL Classic.

> > Not GPL 2.

> > If you are into shooters you probably remember when Team Fortress 1.5 was
> > still Team Fortress Classic, and you might even remember when it was Team
> > Fortress Quake.  While some didn't like it, I immediately enjoyed Team
> > Fortress Classic more then Team Fortress Quake, despite having played TFQ
> > for several years before TFC was released.  Why?  They took a great game,
> > put it in a more modern engine, fixed a number of nagging play balance
> > issues, and yet still remained faithful to the original, all the way down
>  to
> > re-creations of the most popular TFQ maps.  I would love to see somebody
>  use
> > the NR2003 engine to do the same thing to GPL.

> > Keep the original tracks and cars, but redo them all.  Reloft the tracks
>  and
> > bring the poly count and texture density up to modern standards.  Fix a
> > couple of inaccuracies that people have discovered.  Update the car models
> > and use the correct team names.  Keep the performance the same, but add in
> > proper tire and brake wear (after all, it's already in the engine).  Maybe
> > even try and find out what those cars really had in terms of vertical aero
> > forces, because I'm pretty sure it wasn't zero.  But all the while
> > preserving the essential character of the game that so many have become
> > ***ed to over the last 5 years.

> > It's a big job, but I think there are people in the mod community that
>  would
> > like to do it, and could pull it off.  I'd love to see Papy do it
> > themselves, that would be the best thing.  But if not them, then maybe the
> > Project Wildfire guys.  Or GPLEA.  Surely somebody will take this on.
>  Come
> > on guys, the great gameplay we all love in a thoroughly up to date
>  engine -
> > what could be better than that?

> Even the teams themselves had absolutely no idea at the time.
> If you read Ron Tauranac's book (just one example which comes to mind
> immediately) about his years with Brabham (and then RALT) your eyes will
> open wide in amazement when you understand just how little was known about
> aerodynamic forces on the cars up to and even beyond 1968.

> This was a period in time when every racing engineer and car designer was
> dabbling with alchemy when it came to aerodynamics.

> Bruce.

> >Maybe even try and find out what those cars really had in terms of
vertical
> aero
> > forces, because I'm pretty sure it wasn't zero.

> They were starting to learn, although perhaps it depends on which team and
> which sport you are talking about.  I know Chrysler started doing wind
> tunnel testing for their race cars about that time because some years
later
> I worked for and with the guys that did it (uh, much later of course) and
I
> heard about it from them virtually non-stop for the entire twelve years
that
> I worked for them.  ;o)  But seriously, Chrysler did ground breaking work
in
> spoiler and wing design and drafting aerodynamics in the late 60's, and it
> was no accident, it was all developed in the wind tunnel by former
aerospace
> guys.  By the time they got to the Daytona Charger they had a pretty good
> knowledge base built up already and were actually able to give the teams a
> cookbook of how to set up the spoilers and wings for each track.  So I
have
> to believe that somewhere somebody has an idea of what a late 60's open
> wheeler is like in the tunnel also.  Either that or them NASCAR boys was
> just way ahead of everybody else...

> > Even the teams themselves had absolutely no idea at the time.
> > If you read Ron Tauranac's book (just one example which comes to mind
> > immediately) about his years with Brabham (and then RALT) your eyes will
> > open wide in amazement when you understand just how little was known
about
> > aerodynamic forces on the cars up to and even beyond 1968.

> > This was a period in time when every racing engineer and car designer
was
> > dabbling with alchemy when it came to aerodynamics.

> > Bruce.

> > >Maybe even try and find out what those cars really had in terms of
> vertical
> > aero
> > > forces, because I'm pretty sure it wasn't zero.

>:-)

> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:29:19 +0200, Goy Larsen

> >:-)

> Blame Pro Race Driver.  While pounding through all the series and
> killing everyone in the touring and stock cars, I hit the Aussie V8's
> and was like 'whoa' even without it being very realistic.  The tracks
> rule, the cars are immensely powerful, and the racing is great.  Oddly
> it was that game that made me realize how nice Mt Panorama is and to
> actually start racing it a lot in GPL.

> > And after that, (and a CART sim of course) I would love to see NASCAR
> > Legends 2--same year as the first one, re-done with the new engine.

> > Marc

>    Have you been to the uspits recently Marc?

> http://www.tptcc.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=291

> dave henrie

> Thanks for the pointer.  As long as the tracks (including dirt), bias ply
> tires, different aero, fuel economy, power ,etc. from 1970 can all be
> modelled, I'll be happy.  I think that might be a bit harder than adding a
> 1970 skin onto the existing car model, though....