rec.autos.simulators

Nobody really cares if you want to boycott SF games but don't expect to go
around spreading 'SF wrecks your Windows installation' BS without being
questioned.

Because you don't have cancer, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Real people have been burned by SF.   It's not BS, it's a fact.

Anyhow, you basically saying since you're immune it doesn't exist.
With a position like that, there's no point of debating this with you.

Later...

Who's WE?   Existing trade laws should be able to put pressure on these
markets.

???  The last security conference I was on stated that the two groups aren't
necessarily mutually
exclusive.  Actually, probably the opposite.  Piracy is a big business with
little impact if caught.
Forged M$ SQL server licenses rake in thousands for example.
Organized crime profits from that sort of piracy big time and some of this
money just might
be ending up in the hands of the Ts.

How about CP that works?
Other CP schemes don't seem to be getting the heat that SF is.
SF isn't hurting the dishonest user, that's my main point.
It delays things for a few days/weeks, but that's it.

Yeah, it makes nonsense that you've now basically said don't bother, give
up, forget about
PCs.  That's such an old put down.

Time is money, wasting time fixing/rebuilding a PC after a SF malware
incident
is just sooooo much fun.   Again, see the SimHQ thread, others have had this
happened.
I'll admit it's a minority affected, but to deny it happens is putting your
head in the sand.

So anyone with a contrary opinion on this issue is either an idiot or a
lunatic!
Wow, you aren't an engineer by chance?

Still waiting for an example on that one.
I don't think they've been affected much (not yet anyhow).

Nope.  Totally missed it.  Sorry about that.  
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In that case the game publishers really haven't understood anything...

Pfff, the goal is to get a normal non-crippled product. The publushers are
making the game for us, not for them. If they release ***they
shouldn't be surprised people don't buy it anymore.

And we all know it doesn't stop copying...

I did and I did :-))

-peter

You're right about pirating.  No matter what we do people may still
eventually crack it.  Although we've gone over a year and so far it
hasn't happened.  Fingers crossed...  In our case though if we find
someone hacking it, since so much of it is online based we can quickly
squash it and make the hacker have to start over again by forcing an
update.  Would be a bummer to do though because all the nice guys that
support us would have to deal with redownloading/installing everything
again :-(

  Yes,  GTL has Starforce.  You didn't notice anytning because the Rat
BASTARDs that code startforce don't ASK permission to install hidden files
on your computer.  This sure smacks of a really big class action lawsuit.
dh

/andreas

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Taken from the GTL readme which is displayed *before* Starforce is
installed.....

"Protection:
===================

GT Legends utilizes StarForce copy protection technology. You will be
required to enter the CD key provided with the distribution media, when you
install and run the game for the first time. You may also be asked to
restart your PC to finalize the StarForce driver installation the first time
you run the game."

It's not like Starforce is some unknown quantity.  It's plastered all over
the web what it does and how it works.  They don't make any secret about
what it installs (just how to defeat it)  An uninstall utility is provided
which has been proven to 100% remove the driver.  It's also been proven that
the driver uses NO system resources except when the CD is being verified.

I'm still yet to hear anyone give an example of a legitimate software
problem which has been caused by the installation of Starforce.  All I've
seen is a lot of backpedalling when you actually challenge them about what
problems Starforce has caused.

My personal reasons for not buying GTL, though, is more down to lack of
a modern PC. I can do GPL, and if I had a more powerful machine I would
buy rFactor. :)

/andreas

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That a few minor issues (and a bunch of p/o'd pirates) can propagate this
into the realm of Area 51 or Bigfoot or even the grassy knoll tells me were
going the wrong direction..

When these (ill use the term loosely) people start infringing upon a
developers right to protect his code/property then I have a huge problem.

I hear fools talking about boycotting sims that use SF and that really chaps
my hide.  When the dev's finally just tell us to *** off and head over to
the consoles en masse then what are we going to do?

Do you all really think Starforce is as bad as it can get?  Just wait....
Then let the crying really begin...

I'd hazard a guess that the same people crying the loudest will use an AV
update or a Windows update without question yet still manage to whine about
SF.

I *hate* notepad and don't want it on my PC...  It was put onto my PC
without my express permission and it wasnt written on the box that it was
part of Windows so I have a right (as an activist) to boycott MS or do
whatever is required to make sure my rights aren't compromised with that
*** evil proggy "Notepad"....

Mitch

[Rant snipped]

You know, there are such things as Free Software. You don't have to run
Windows on your PC. :)

/andreas

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A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?