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by **Mike Whit** » Sun, 05 Sep 1999 04:00:00

>> It was a joke because they didn't publish it on the website. I think
>there
>> were other guys busted for cheating (Hacking up the track.dat's etc..)
but
>> were just kept quite for whatever reason.

>That's absolutely true. There was only 1 case of a person being said
>publicly about his cheating action on the NROS, but be sure that alot more
>people had temporary TEN account blocked because they got caught cheating.
>I fear the lack of that will open alot of doors for N3, like per example
for
>GPL how easy it would be for anybody with track editing knowledge to cheat.
>It's very easy, add some banking here, put asphalt instead of grass there..
>bingo you do easy 128's at Monza without anybody ever thinking you cheat.
>Well I can only do high 129's with my Honda, so no way I cheat ;-P

Sure it might be easy to modify those files.

But it could also be part of the protocal where the host and client must
have the same files (checksums) or the client can't race.

by **Mike Whit** » Sun, 05 Sep 1999 04:00:00

>The only way I could see a checksum system working is on a pay to play
>service, where everyone agrees to a set of rules prior to joining the
>service.

When I tested NR1999 on Kali I kept seeing messages about an out of date, or
invalid track file..

Since I know my track files were straight from the CD, it may have been the
other guy's files, or just noise on the line.

The point being is somewhere in the bowels of NR1999 is some track
verification code.

by **Tracey Mille** » Mon, 06 Sep 1999 04:00:00

> Sure it might be easy to modify those files.

> But it could also be part of the protocal where the host and client
must
> have the same files (checksums) or the client can't race.

They could do that, but I can imagine the whining that would take place
when Joe Bob applies his Ford/Chevy/Pontiac patch and could no longer
race with Jim Bob. Then Billy Ray adds a Billy Ray's Donuts Billboard
patch to his dega track, now he can't race. I can hear the customer
support lines ringing at Sierra already:

"I paid good money far this here game, I'll patch it however I please!
Yawl cawlin' me a cheeter? I'm commin'up thar an kickin' yer tail!
Where the heck is Massachusie anyhow?"

The only way I could see a checksum system working is on a pay to play
service, where everyone agrees to a set of rules prior to joining the
service.

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by **Mike Whit** » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

(John
>Simmons) writes:

>>You could also race in a league. In league play, it can become real
>>obvious real fast when someone looks like they have an unnatural
>>advantage. Besides, what's the point in cheating? You're not really
>>better than anyone when you do it...

>...but it will never stop people from DOING it... :-(

>Eldred

Just curious, has cheating ever been an issue with VROC/GSB -> GPL, and if
so, what kind of preventions have been taken to stop it?

by **Eldre** » Thu, 09 Sep 1999 04:00:00

...but it will never stop people from DOING it... :-(

Eldred

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by **Eldre** » Thu, 09 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Rail-riding at Monza comes to mind....

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by **Eldre** » Thu, 09 Sep 1999 04:00:00

>I'm with you on that, but the cheat detection was a joke in my book. I do
>think a centralized place or even 2 would be the best way to go. I don't
>like racing GPL at all. There are 40 servers and 10 drivers evertime I go
>there.

So you don't like GPL because of too MANY choices? It seems to me that the
same thing happens on TEN, at least last time I checked. 9 races in each room,
6 at Tally, 2 at Michigan, and the odd race at Bristol or Martinsville. Most
people seemingly being more interested in chatting than actual racing... Has
that changed much? Not flaming, but showing parallels...

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by **John Simmo** » Thu, 09 Sep 1999 04:00:00

>>Hmmmm, I don't recall cheating being an issue with GPL...

>Rail-riding at Monza comes to mind....

That was endemic of novice races only. It is almost non-existant in
Intermediate races, and never seen in pro/GP races.

Like I told tracy, if you're so worried about cheating, maybe you'd be
better off with a board game.

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