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NASCAR pitlanes

Doug Schneide

NASCAR pitlanes

by Doug Schneide » Fri, 03 Sep 1999 04:00:00

What does LPI mean?

            Zog




> >> You could also race in a league.  In league play, it can become real
> >> obvious real fast when someone looks like they have an unnatural
> >> advantage.  Besides, what's the point in cheating?  You're not really
> >> better than anyone when you do it...

> >I agree with you, and I prefer to run the longer types of races that
> >usually only happen in leagues. Unfortunately, my schedule just doesn't
> >permit me to do so.

> Well, I guess you're gonna have to put up with public pickup races, or
> schedule a race ahead of time with known decent drivers.

> >I never know when I am going to have some free time but when I do it is
> >nice to know I can log on to a service like TEN to create a race and
> >have the ability to look up important stats such as LPI on the people I
> >allow into my race.

> When I was racing on TEN, LPI and skill ratings didn't mean squat to me.
> Of course, I spent most of my time in league races on TEN, so it wasn't
> that big of an issue for me.  My LPI was only in the 40's when I finally
> quit racing on TEN, and I can't remember my skill rating.

> >Cheating is going to be a HUGE issue with N3. Remember, it won't just
> >be serious racers anymore like it is with GPL or on a pay per play
> >service like TEN. Every hacker with a pirated copy of N3 Beta is going
> >to be out there wanting to win at all costs - kind of like Earnhardt.

> Hmmmm, I don't recall cheating being an issue with GPL, and I don't
> really think it'll be an issue with N3.  If Papy does it right, someone
> won't be able to connect to an N3 server with a modified executable, and
> the server will set the track parameters by reading its own track.dat
> file.

> Beyond that, if you're that worried about cheating, maybe a nice game of
> checkers would suit you better. (I'm just being a smartass - don't take
> it personally.)  :-)

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Jon Van Ginneke

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by Jon Van Ginneke » Fri, 03 Sep 1999 04:00:00


<snip>

You are correct, the pit lane must be parallel with the track.  But it's not
the track creating program's fault; cars in ICR1, N1, ICR2, N2, NR99, GPL,
and now NR3 pit (or park in GPL's case) parallel to the track.

Jon

John Simmo

NASCAR pitlanes

by John Simmo » Fri, 03 Sep 1999 04:00:00

LPI is "Laps Per Incident".

The entire TEN skill ranking system is bogus because the system doesn't
account for number of opponents on a given track.  For instance, it's
much easier to go incident free at Taladega with 20 opponents than it is
to do the same thing at Bristol or Martinsville.


says...

>What does LPI mean?



>>>I never know when I am going to have some free time but when
>>>I do it is nice to know I can log on to a service like TEN
>>>to create a race and have the ability to look up important
>>>stats such as LPI on the people I allow into my race.

>>When I was racing on TEN, LPI and skill ratings didn't mean
>>squat to me. Of course, I spent most of my time in league
>>races on TEN, so it wasn't that big of an issue for me.  My
>>LPI was only in the 40's when I finally quit racing on TEN,
>>and I can't remember my skill rating.

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The Mocke

NASCAR pitlanes

by The Mocke » Fri, 03 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Lizard Programming Interface. It's a network term. Not important.

The Mocker

Bill Bollinge

NASCAR pitlanes

by Bill Bollinge » Fri, 03 Sep 1999 04:00:00


> LPI is "Laps Per Incident".

> The entire TEN skill ranking system is bogus because the system doesn't
> account for number of opponents on a given track.  For instance, it's
> much easier to go incident free at Taladega with 20 opponents than it is
> to do the same thing at Bristol or Martinsville.

John, this is not true.  You would find on average of the top 100 ranked
racers on TEN that the average LPI of those racers are lower at Dega
than Bristol or Marty.

Bill / Amish on TEN

Doug Schneide

NASCAR pitlanes

by Doug Schneide » Fri, 03 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Yeah, that's what I figured.



> > What does LPI mean?

> >             Zog

> Lizard Programming Interface. It's a network term. Not important.

> The Mocker

Mike Whit

NASCAR pitlanes

by Mike Whit » Fri, 03 Sep 1999 04:00:00



>> LPI is "Laps Per Incident".

>> The entire TEN skill ranking system is bogus because the system doesn't
>> account for number of opponents on a given track.  For instance, it's
>> much easier to go incident free at Taladega with 20 opponents than it is
>> to do the same thing at Bristol or Martinsville.

>John, this is not true.  You would find on average of the top 100 ranked
>racers on TEN that the average LPI of those racers are lower at Dega
>than Bristol or Marty.

>Bill / Amish on TEN

On Average:

Incidence per race is higher at Bristol

Laps per race is much higher at Bristol

I agree it's easier to go incident free at Dega compared to Bristol.

But "incident free" is not exactly the same thing as LPI.

Richard Walke

NASCAR pitlanes

by Richard Walke » Fri, 03 Sep 1999 04:00:00



Both what you and John says can be true ;-). Races at Dega consist of many
less laps than at Bristol or Marty and hence raw LPI isn't a good
indication of how easy it is (or at least should be!) to go incident free.
RPI (races per incident) is a better way of comparing across different
tracks.

Cheers,
Richard

Sean Higgin

NASCAR pitlanes

by Sean Higgin » Sat, 04 Sep 1999 04:00:00

"Cheat Detection"??????  Name 2 guys that have got nailed for cheating in 2
years??    I believe there was more than one guy that cheated in 2 years,
maybe you don't but I do.  If more than 1 guy did cheat, then what's the
point of detection if they don't do anything about it.

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>> Am I the only person here that's not as e***d about the new smoke
>as about
>> free TCP/IP gameplay?  :)

>They can keep the free uncontrolled gameplay. If I wanted that I'd
>race a REAL sim like GPL. The $20 per month I pay for a controlled
>racing environment with cheat detection and a ranking system is worth
>every penny.

Tracey Mille

NASCAR pitlanes

by Tracey Mille » Sun, 05 Sep 1999 04:00:00


> "Cheat Detection"??????  Name 2 guys that have got nailed for
cheating in 2
> years??

Only one guy got kicked out for cheating, but I know a lot of guys
suddenly stopped turning those 190's at Michigan once TEN started
checking the tires line in the track.txt files. I never lost the draft
at Taledega after that either.

They also got rid of the "\" key cheat where people would warp
themselves by taking screen shots. Then there was that reverse key
cheat which allowed people to "brake" quicker by slamming into reverse,
and that was eliminated. Regardless, I'll take only one guy getting
busted over open season for hackers any day.

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Bill Bollinge

NASCAR pitlanes

by Bill Bollinge » Sun, 05 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Well... Sean... I would still rather have a centralized place to race with
Chat and Rankings.  The service is/was owned by Sierra/Papyrus.  Some people
want to blame TEN for any problem without really knowing the business
arangement.  I say we are REALLY screwed if we don't have some type of
centralized location for us all to race and make a "community".  VROC style
just will not cut it in my book.

Bill / Amish on TEN


>"Cheat Detection"??????  Name 2 guys that have got nailed for cheating in 2
>years??    I believe there was more than one guy that cheated in 2 years,
>maybe you don't but I do.  If more than 1 guy did cheat, then what's the
>point of detection if they don't do anything about it.

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>>> Am I the only person here that's not as e***d about the new smoke
>>as about
>>> free TCP/IP gameplay?  :)

>>They can keep the free uncontrolled gameplay. If I wanted that I'd
>>race a REAL sim like GPL. The $20 per month I pay for a controlled
>>racing environment with cheat detection and a ranking system is worth
>>every penny.

Goy Larse

NASCAR pitlanes

by Goy Larse » Sun, 05 Sep 1999 04:00:00


> "Cheat Detection"??????  Name 2 guys that have got nailed for cheating in 2
> years??    I believe there was more than one guy that cheated in 2 years,
> maybe you don't but I do.  If more than 1 guy did cheat, then what's the
> point of detection if they don't do anything about it.

They are logging it for future purposes <VBFG>

Guess that's out the window now eh ?

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Sean Higgin

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by Sean Higgin » Sun, 05 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I'm with you on that, but the cheat detection was a joke in my book.  I do
think a centralized place or even 2 would be the best way to go.  I don't
like racing GPL at all.  There are 40 servers and 10 drivers evertime I go
there.

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>Well... Sean... I would still rather have a centralized place to race with
>Chat and Rankings.  The service is/was owned by Sierra/Papyrus.  Some
people
>want to blame TEN for any problem without really knowing the business
>arangement.  I say we are REALLY screwed if we don't have some type of
>centralized location for us all to race and make a "community".  VROC style
>just will not cut it in my book.

>Bill / Amish on TEN

Bill Bollinge

NASCAR pitlanes

by Bill Bollinge » Sun, 05 Sep 1999 04:00:00


>I'm with you on that, but the cheat detection was a joke in my book.  I do
>think a centralized place or even 2 would be the best way to go.  I don't
>like racing GPL at all.  There are 40 servers and 10 drivers evertime I go
>there.

It was a joke because they didn't publish it on the website.  I think there
were other guys busted for cheating (Hacking up the track.dat's etc..) but
were just kept quite for whatever reason.  Probably more to do with PR stuff
than anything.  NOTE:  I am just guessing Sean, so I really don't know for
sure.  You could/probably are right too.  Don't know... That is what we get
without good communication heheheheh.

Bill / Amish on TEN

ymenar

NASCAR pitlanes

by ymenar » Sun, 05 Sep 1999 04:00:00


That's absolutely true.  There was only 1 case of a person being said
publicly about his cheating action on the NROS, but be sure that alot more
people had temporary TEN account blocked because they got caught cheating.
I fear the lack of that will open alot of doors for N3, like per example for
GPL how easy it would be for anybody with track editing knowledge to cheat.
It's very easy, add some banking here, put asphalt instead of grass there..
bingo you do easy 128's at Monza without anybody ever thinking you cheat.
Well I can only do high 129's with my Honda, so no way I cheat ;-P

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