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What is your highest minimum framerate in GTR2002 ??

John Cauthe

What is your highest minimum framerate in GTR2002 ??

by John Cauthe » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:06:46


This isn't good news Dave... I couldn't settle for this right now, as much
as I love GTR 2002.  It may also portend of problems in other games or apps.
I'd like to find out more about this.

Thanks!

John

Aide

What is your highest minimum framerate in GTR2002 ??

by Aide » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 19:30:33

Dave....I had that originally with the 9700 Pro,tried all drivers and dx8.1
and dx9.0 but nothing changed it.

That was until i was insultedly told that the ONLY reason that happens is if
Nvidia remnants are about.

I knew i had manually cleared all there was and Detonator Destroyer didnt
work on XP so i thought that couldnt be true.

Then i installed Reg Cleaner,ran it for the first time using nearly all its
functions and would you believe there were in fact 2 Nvidia entries from the
Registry it found.

Deleted them,rebooted,removed the Ati drivers and started again then fired
up GTR 2002 then F1 2002....no holes in the car as before,no polygons
missing from the tyres as before and no tears as i drove around the tracks.

Also visited a friend last week who bought a 9700 Pro the day previous and
he has had no problems at all with it but he is with Win Me and Detonator
Destroyer worked perfectly.

Good luck

AD

John Cauthe

What is your highest minimum framerate in GTR2002 ??

by John Cauthe » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:44:06

Ah.... thanks for sharing this AD.  I've got Reg Cleaner for an older
problem I was having with an earlier Detonator driver.  I'm glad to hear
this cured the problem with GTR 2002.  I'll put the 9500 Pro back on my
"final cut" list.

John


Joe M

What is your highest minimum framerate in GTR2002 ??

by Joe M » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:50:29

Where did you get reg cleaner?  Free or shareware?  My google search didn't
yield one clear cut version.  TIA.

--
Joe M.


Joe M

What is your highest minimum framerate in GTR2002 ??

by Joe M » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:54:57

Damien,

Could you post more details on the full field fps?  Was that start of race
back of the pack or somewhere else?  I run GTR 2002 full field, default
graphics, 18 cars visible (no need to see more than this IMO),
1280x1024x32-bit, no-fsaa and mid-pack I get 30 fps at Spa at the start and
40+ around the track.  This with an AMD 1600/512MB Ram/GF4 Ti 4400.  I'm
surprised a 2400+/9700 Pro combo can't hit 50 fps at the start.  How is it
around the track?  It certainly must hit 80 or so when things thin out,
correct?

--
Joe M.


Dave Henri

What is your highest minimum framerate in GTR2002 ??

by Dave Henri » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:20:40



        Going from memory, one of the PC COmputer magazines has it...try
pcmag.com or cnet.com...
dave henrie

Aide

What is your highest minimum framerate in GTR2002 ??

by Aide » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:26:56

Reg Cleaner homepage is :-

http://www.vtoy.fi/jv16/shtml/software.shtml

AD

Aide

What is your highest minimum framerate in GTR2002 ??

by Aide » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:32:12

The Nvidia entries were found after choosing Tools at the top,then Registry
Cleanup then Do Them All..

Sorry to make it idiot proof but i just know whats coming...lol

AD

Steve Blankenshi

What is your highest minimum framerate in GTR2002 ??

by Steve Blankenshi » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 02:20:07

http://www.vtoy.fi/jv16/shtml/regcleaner.shtml


> Where did you get reg cleaner?  Free or shareware?  My google search
didn't
> yield one clear cut version.  TIA.

> --
> Joe M.



> > Dave....I had that originally with the 9700 Pro,tried all drivers and
> dx8.1
> > and dx9.0 but nothing changed it.

> > That was until i was insultedly told that the ONLY reason that happens
is
> if
> > Nvidia remnants are about.

> > I knew i had manually cleared all there was and Detonator Destroyer
didnt
> > work on XP so i thought that couldnt be true.

> > Then i installed Reg Cleaner,ran it for the first time using nearly all
> its
> > functions and would you believe there were in fact 2 Nvidia entries from
> the
> > Registry it found.

> > Deleted them,rebooted,removed the Ati drivers and started again then
fired
> > up GTR 2002 then F1 2002....no holes in the car as before,no polygons
> > missing from the tyres as before and no tears as i drove around the
> tracks.

> > Also visited a friend last week who bought a 9700 Pro the day previous
and
> > he has had no problems at all with it but he is with Win Me and
Detonator
> > Destroyer worked perfectly.

> > Good luck

> > AD

Joe M

What is your highest minimum framerate in GTR2002 ??

by Joe M » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 03:48:39

Thanks.

--
Joe M.


> http://www.vtoy.fi/jv16/shtml/regcleaner.shtml



> > Where did you get reg cleaner?  Free or shareware?  My google search
> didn't
> > yield one clear cut version.  TIA.

> > --
> > Joe M.

Tim Mise

What is your highest minimum framerate in GTR2002 ??

by Tim Mise » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 06:12:50


Don't have any messed up textures with my 9700pro.  Running 1024x768x32 all
graphics maxed with 4xfsaa and 16x anios and all is smooth.  (Never have
owned an nvidia card so probably registry reminants is causing it.)

-Tim

Damien Smit

What is your highest minimum framerate in GTR2002 ??

by Damien Smit » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:41:56

I don't think there's any point in speculating what FPS I get and where
really.  There's an almost infinite number of variables and without a 'hard
and fast' benchmark with identical settings, you can't get an accurate or
relevant result.
Dave Henri

What is your highest minimum framerate in GTR2002 ??

by Dave Henri » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:48:21

"Tim Miser"
    That is probably it then.  Good news.  My son's system has had soooo
much stuff on and off it...I keep telling him to wipe it out and start
fresh...but he doesn't want to loose his Nintendo files.  go figure...
dave henrie
amp gree

What is your highest minimum framerate in GTR2002 ??

by amp gree » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:25:32

It would seem that there is some dispute as to whether or not GTR2002
could still benefit substantially from hardware that has yet to come to
market, in order to get sustained 50 + fps, even from the back of the
pack on a starting grid of 22 or more cars. Does anyone get 50+ FPS at
the start of a race from the rear of a pack of 22 or more cars at
1024X768 with all graphics set to max ???    Will a P4 3 GHZ and 9700 do
the trick, or do I need to go even higher ?

> I don't think there's any point in speculating what FPS I get and where
> really.  There's an almost infinite number of variables and without a 'hard
> and fast' benchmark with identical settings, you can't get an accurate or
> relevant result.

Steve Smit

What is your highest minimum framerate in GTR2002 ??

by Steve Smit » Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:06:32

See my comments above.


> Joe,

> Thanks for the information... it really makes sense.  I've just read a
blurb
> on this at a Russian site, and it was a bit unclear what they were trying
to
> say.  They also mentioned the 9500 NP trick you describe.  I've got some
> more homework to do before I opt for the 9500 Pro, especially after
reading
> Dave Henrie's experience with missing textures!?  And this card is getting
> such rave reviews!

> Thanks again!

> John



> > Caution John:  You cannot turn a 9500 *PRO* into a 9700 Pro; the 9500
Pro
> is
> > hardware 128-bit and will not reach 9700 Pro specs.  The Riva update and
> > w1zard update are already out there for the 9500 NON PRO which shares
the
> > same PCB as the 9700 (256-bit) and simply has 4 of the 8 pipelines
> disabled
> > via software so it's basically a 9700 Pro underclocked (due to inferior
> ram)
> > and bandwidth stripped (4/8 pipelines disabled due to possible defects).

> > The software enables the OTHER 4 pipelines and IF they are FULLY
> FUNCTIONING
> > then you get NON PRO 9700 performance out of the NP 9500.  If you have a
> NP
> > 9500 with some good 3.3 ns inf. ram you may also try to overclock it to
> 9700
> > Pro specs (using Warp 11 bios): this combo of software unlock AND
> > overclocking will yield 9700 Pro performance.

> > So far 70% success rate for software NP9500-NP9700 (the 30% failure rate
> > attributable mainly to those who previously hard modded their NP9500
> and/or
> > those with 1 or more defective pipelines).  Overclocking to 9700 Pro
> further
> > reduces success so NP 9500 to PRO 9700 is probably a 50/50 proposition.
> > It's a great deal if it works; if not you're stuck with a mediocre NP
> 9500.

> > Some additional info:

> > http://www.maxdownloads.com/~ian/wizzard/

> > http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?postid=1024262089

> > http://www.guru3d.com/rivatuner/

> > --
> > Joe M.



> > > MadDAWG speaks the truth.  You will turn your system into a new
machine
> > with
> > > a Radeon 9500 Pro, or a GeForce4 Ti4400.  I'm going to be purchasing a
> > 9500
> > > Pro in the near future.  I found a place selling them for $155, plus
the
> > > next version of Riva tuner will unlock their pipeline, and in essence,
> > turn
> > > them into a full fledged 9700 Pro!  Hard to turn that down.

> > > John Cauthen



> > > > The voodoo 5 is your big bottle neck. I'd start there with an ATI
9500
> > pro
> > > > or a GF4 Ti4200 which are both in the $200 usd range.  If you got
the
> > > bucks
> > > > go for a ATI 9700 or GF4 ti4600 which are in the $300-$400 range.
The
> > ATI
> > > > 9500 pro is suppose to be some where in between the Ti4400 and the
> > Ti4600
> > > so
> > > > in a bang for the buck choice its probably the best one.

> > > > MadDAWG


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