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Another sim site gets the strong arm of the law...

use EXCITE.COM instead

Another sim site gets the strong arm of the law...

by use EXCITE.COM instead » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:43:20


(http://www.racesimcentral.net/).

paintscheme being given

Interesting... The "correct" approach is to "buy" the right from
simpaddock.com for a nominal
fee (donated to charity), and make the official site (tommybahama.com)
the official distribution
site of the skin. It would cost a lot less than the lawyer fees fur
sure. I'm sure simpaddock.com
would be glad to "donate" it to the rightful owners...

--KC

Davi

Another sim site gets the strong arm of the law...

by Davi » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:17:35

Guys,

I can say one thing. The SCCA has sold all *** rights to one company.
That company is working on a Trans Am sim and well with that happening I
will say the SCCA, Qualve, and the company sponsoring the Mangusta all have
problems with that car and paint job showing up in another game.  

With the SCGT Tiresmoke Autocross Challenge we ran into a problem with the
SCCA, till they did find out we are not making a game but just using a one
lap concept for an existing game it was not an issue anylonger.  We were
not using any SCCA trademarked items.  Trans Am is a SCCA trademarked word
so much so infact Pontiac pays the SCCA for every Trans Am they built.  I
would be willing to bet all the interested parties were concerned with the
certain painted Trans Am car showing up in a game other then Trans Am being
made by Motorsim( ?).

I guess this is also a warning to guys making cars.  They need to be
careful not to step on anyones toes.

Dave

Stephen Smit

Another sim site gets the strong arm of the law...

by Stephen Smit » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:30:24

Chris,

You'd better not be painting any pichurs of NASCARs in action, Bubba!

If they can copyright the Sydney skyline, they can copyright anything.

--Steve


David G Fishe

Another sim site gets the strong arm of the law...

by David G Fishe » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:54:09

Ubi Soft had to pay the FIA for the rights to the '99 season.

The FIA wants them to buy the rights to the '00, '01, and '02 season. In
their contract, they force Ubi Soft to enforce the copyright laws so that
the rights to the upcoming seasons are a necessary purchase.

I don't see how Ubi Soft is doing anything wrong. They are doing what's
legally required to fullfill their contract. The FIA is protecting their
very valuable interests. Some people just don't think that contracts and
laws have to be followed when it comes to games and music.

David G Fisher


(http://www.tommybahama.com/).

Gaul

Another sim site gets the strong arm of the law...

by Gaul » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:41:09




You do OU proud, son.  That can-do attitude is what made Oklahoma great.

Marc Collin

Another sim site gets the strong arm of the law...

by Marc Collin » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:43:41

If there was any sense or justice in the world of sim racing, commercial
sponsors would have to pay the game developers and publishers to include
their adverti***ts.  Car manufacturers and so forth not included, but
paint schemes and bill boards...give me a break.  The painters are doing
those people a favour by providing accurate simulations for free.

Marc.



J. Todd Wass

Another sim site gets the strong arm of the law...

by J. Todd Wass » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:16:04

  I believe Dirt Track Racing was one of the first to actually do this.  They
(or someone else if I'm mistaken) had advertising on their website that said
for $x,000 you could place a texture map on one of the many billboards
trackside in the sim.  There apparantly were some takers.  Perhaps this is a
step towards the direction you're speaking of and won't stop there.  I'd
consider spending some money to put an ad for my website on a billboard in one
of these games, but I also have nothing to lose by doing so.  Since my
adverti***t would not increase their game sales they'd have no reason at all
to offer to pay *me* for including a billboard in their sim.  

  I'd take it as advertising personally, just like you probably would.
However, as you'd probably agree,*** a big "Daytona Motor Speedway" sign
on a track nearly identical to the real Daytona would draw a lot of sales for
the game, therefore DMS would want a cut of it.

Todd Wasson
---
Performance Simulations
Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction
Software
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

J. Todd Wass

Another sim site gets the strong arm of the law...

by J. Todd Wass » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:27:55

   We "real people" that had absolutely no part in making either the Trans-Am
racing series, or the video games that let us pretend we're a part of it for
awhile for entertainment, CAN do something.  Boycott them.  Organize everyone
you know and urge them to do the same.  If they don't have money coming in,
you've killed off the corporation, along with the jobs of all the "real people"
with families and so forth that work there, unless they change their ways.  We,
the regular people of the world, choose how we spend our money, not the
corporations.  They just make stuff they think we'll want and hope we buy it.

  Personally, I'll keep buying the games anyway because I like playing them and
think $50 or so is worth it.

Todd Wasson
---
Performance Simulations
Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction
Software
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

J. Todd Wass

Another sim site gets the strong arm of the law...

by J. Todd Wass » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:50:48

  One more thing.  If the "violator" happens to be distributing a product such
as this from a website (the only way to do it, right?) they will be getting
TONS of new traffic to their site.  How much more can they charge for
advertising now?  The "violator" can indeed profit rather well from their
"free" work if they want to.  I'm not saying anyone in particular is indeed
doing this for anything other than their love of sim racing, but the option to
do so is there.  I know of one site that is making a free game with the sole
intent of drawing traffic to sell more of their products.  The game itself
*becomes* advertising to draw traffic to their site, therefore, it has value,
whether or not there was cash exchanged.  

  Just my thoughts,

Todd Wasson
---
Performance Simulations
Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction
Software
http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

J. Todd Wass

Another sim site gets the strong arm of the law...

by J. Todd Wass » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:10:28

  Amen.
Todd Wasson
---
Performance Simulations
Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction
Software
http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

Asbj?rn Bj?rnst

Another sim site gets the strong arm of the law...

by Asbj?rn Bj?rnst » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:23:17


What about the stuff they don't think we want? Like a cart simulation?
How long will it take before cart heat gets shut down?

(What really really bugs me (totally off topic here) is the ***y
stupid dvd zone system. I live in Hong Kong, and want to buy the Hong
Kong movie "Hidden tiger crouching dragon". But the version that is
released for the Hong Kong market is a crappy version not much better
than the pirated vcds pushed at every street corner around here.
Compared to the US version with lots of special features, and
anamorphic image. But can I buy the US version and put it in my
player? Nah, that would probably violate someones rights to something,
never mind that I would actually have to pay more (And don't mind if I
get a nice version) to get the US version. And books; when you buy a
book in a bookshop, you can borrow it to friends and family if it is a
good book, so now publishers are starting to look into electronic
books with encryption and watermarks so this communist practice can be
put to an end. (I don't understand how people stand to read a book on
a computer myself.))

We all do.
--
  -asbjxrn                   Consultant, n.:
                                    An ordinary man a long way from home.

J. Todd Wass

Another sim site gets the strong arm of the law...

by J. Todd Wass » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:52:13

  Who knows?  I'd hate to see it happen as much as anyone else, but somebody
spent a lot of money for the rights to CART.  As far as the stuff that
corporations don't think we want goes, I know I wouldn't spend a year of my
life writing a program that I knew wouldn't make any money unless I just loved
the project.  I'd rather make something that is valuable to as many people as
possible.  

  That looks like a great movie, haven't seen it yet though.  I don't know why
you can't buy the US version <shrug>.  Maybe a government somewhere won't allow
it.  

  Loaning a book to someone is ok because they can't copy it.  An electronic
book can easily be copied, so I can understand why they might protect it,
although I wouldn't particularly want to read a book on a computer either :-)

Todd Wasson
---
Performance Simulations
Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction
Software
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Kevin Gavit

Another sim site gets the strong arm of the law...

by Kevin Gavit » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:08:43


Considering that Motorsims hasn't updated their own website in over a year I
don't hold out much hope for this title.  :)

KFG

Bill

Another sim site gets the strong arm of the law...

by Bill » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:21:30



And a good one. That hadn't occurred to me, but it should have. great point

Asbj?rn Bj?rnst

Another sim site gets the strong arm of the law...

by Asbj?rn Bj?rnst » Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:59:46


I can buy the disc, that's not the problem, but since my dvdplayer is
bought in HK, I can't play the disc legally bought and imported from
the USA because a collection of corporations (As opposed to any legal
part of any goverment) has decided that I shouldn't be allowed
to. (Apparently buying a movie doesn't give me the right to watch it
from their point of view.)
And since piracy unfortunally is rampant and the market is small, HK
releases are "budget" versions.

Of course you can copy a book. Copyright law wasn't established as a
response to digital media. (If you think of e.g. educational material
and not just fiction, you understand that you don't neccessarily want
to read the whole book.)
--
  -asbjxrn                   Consultant, n.:
                                    An ordinary man a long way from home.


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