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GPL and Ferrari wheel

GTX_SlotCa

GPL and Ferrari wheel

by GTX_SlotCa » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Hehe, well I am a little nuts.

Slot

"You should always go to your friends funerals, otherwise they won't come to
yours".


Marc Collin

GPL and Ferrari wheel

by Marc Collin » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00

You seem to be missing my point consistently: the Saitek feels normal, the
Ferrari feels dead in N3.  I am not a moron who plays arcade games and
thinks it's "kewl" to have the wheel ripped out of my hand...I just want to
feel what Papy programmed into the game.  I have stated over and over that I
am interested in the subtle and sophisticated feedback only--the big forces
already work OK.

Now you tell me your wheel is dead at both ends?????  And you didn't think
that odd??  Perhaps you should re-adjust it again as you may have caused
that problem yourself--mine works, as it should, all the way to the ends.
Try the GPL calibration screen for your controllers...the N3 controller
calibration is primitive by comparison.  You counted notches????  How the
hell did you do that?  The resolution of each axis is available for all to
see in GPL.

And, the newer releases of the Ferrari wheel have two clamps, not one, so
sorry you are wrong on that one, too.

My wheel is to be exchanged for another since the Guillemot engineers (the
tech. support were completely clueless) assured me that it works well in N3
and that forces that I cannot feel are definitely there with other samples
of the Ferrari wheel--and there are a few other things wrong with mine that
suggest a defective product.  Hopefully, the next one will work properly and
Guillemot will release newer (stronger) drivers (they did acknowledge that
the maximum forces of the wheel are less than its competitors) and a better
profiler program....then the Ferrari wheel will be hands-down the best
choice.

Marc.


> I see, Marc. You're counting the points of resolution as 'notches'. I
think
> everyone else is counting the 'notches' you feel when you actually turn
the
> wheel. I've hooked up 3 of my current wheels to N3 and they all show 1024
> points of resolution (which I think N3 extrapolates from the original 256
> points available and multiplies by 4). The wheels I used are the Ferrari
> wheel, the Andretti wheel and the CH EXL500. If you notice, the Ferrari
> wheel has about 220 degrees, lock to lock. But notice that only 180
degrees
> are usable. In other words, the last 20 degrees in each direction are dead
> space and don't show up as wheel movement. Other wheels, like the Andretti
> and possibly you Saitek, have 270 degrees, lock to lock. So one wheel will
> be more sensitive than the other, and which you like best is a personal
> preference.
> Next, check out your Ferrari wheel and see if it centers properly. If you
> lock it to the right and let it go, does it spring back to center? What
> about locking it to the left? Mine pulled heavily to the right before I
> adjusted the trimmer inside, and the forces were all screwed up
(obvioulsy).
> I suspect one of two problems with your setup. Either the wheel isn't
> calibrated correctly from the factory, or you're spoiled by unrealistic
> forces from your Saitek, meaning that you expect a pebble to feel like a
> rock and your Saitek delivers.

> Slot

> "You know, a nickel ain't worth a dime anymore".


> >Well, 1024 notches show up in the GPL calibration screen, as they did
with
> >the Saitek.  The pedal resolution is much higher with the Ferrari,
though,
> >so I perhaps I am wrongly assuming that the GPL calibration screen
actually
> >works properly.

> >What I can tell you for sure is that the Ferrari wheel is much more
> "notchy"
> >in the way it reacts in-game (regardless of title).  In other words, it
> acts
> >like it has only about 420 notches compared to triple that with the other
> >wheel.  It's like it is impossible to make very small steering
corrections.
> >My DX deadzone settings (all 0) remain the same.

> >Marc.



> >> My Ferrari wheel has about 420 notches, lock to lock. Nowhere close to
> >1024.
> >> You're implying that the Saitek has a resolution of 1024, but no
optical
> >> system has an effective resolution of much over 96, which is less than
> the
> >> 128 or so of wheels with pots. The absolute best resolution possible in
a
> >> wheel is 256, but you'll never see much more that 128 on any wheel.
This
> >> isn't something that you can fix with software, although good drivers
can
> >> make a wheel "feel" more precise than the numbers indicate. Games like
> GPL
> >> and N3 do a good job extrapolating the resolution, but they can't make
a
> >bad
> >> wheel better than a good one.  Nevertheless, all the specs in the world
> >> won't tell you as much as actually driving with the wheel.

> >> Slot



> >> >The Ferrari wheel has 1024 "notches" in the steering...the same as the
> >> >Saitek.  It's pedals are much higher resolution than the Saitek.
There
> >is
> >> a
> >> >huge difference in pedal controllability in a title like GPL.  What's
> >> >interesting is that even though the steering should be the same, and
all
> >> >other settings I am using are the same, the Ferrari is not as smooth,
> >> >especially at centre.  The optical system in the Saitek seems to be
able
> >to
> >> >permit one notch at a time turning (try the GPL calibration screen)
> while
> >> >the Ferrari cannot come close.  >

Cossi

GPL and Ferrari wheel

by Cossi » Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:00:00

30mph slide like they are on ice, takes 100 feet to stop. hmmm that sounds
like an Excursion or the Explodition




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