rec.autos.simulators

by **Don Hanco** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

>the ultimate target. Would those "increased sales" have been
>sufficient to pay however many tens of millions Bernie requires for an
>F1 license these days?! :-)

>Cheers!
>John

While I'm not in the know, I can ASSURE you that with budgets in the
single digit millions even for blockbusters, NOBODY's gonna pay "tens
of millions" for ANY license. The ENTIRE game won't have a budget
that big.

Gunner

by **Don Hanco** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

On Tue, 18 May 1999 19:32:26 -0400, "Joel Willstein"

> I think you're getting carried away with this. The fact that we already
>purchased GPL,should show Sierra/papyrus,just how sincere we are about great
>auto sims. But buying copy after copy to prove your point is silly to say
>the least.

>Joel Willstein

Untrue: Sierra has NO idea how many DIFFERENT people bought GPL (even
if it's 250 people buying 2 copies each); just that 500 copies got
sold.

Gunner

by **Mike Mellendor** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

Bought a second copy Tuesday. Gave it to a friend.

by **John Walla** » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

>While I'm not in the know, I can ASSURE you that with budgets in the
>single digit millions even for blockbusters, NOBODY's gonna pay "tens
>of millions" for ANY license. The ENTIRE game won't have a budget
>that big.

I'm not even slightly ASSURED - having worked with several companies
and a couple of F1 licenses I know what it actually costs...

Cheers!
John

by **Don Hanco** » Fri, 21 May 1999 04:00:00

>>While I'm not in the know, I can ASSURE you that with budgets in the
>>single digit millions even for blockbusters, NOBODY's gonna pay "tens
>>of millions" for ANY license. The ENTIRE game won't have a budget
>>that big.

>I'm not even slightly ASSURED - having worked with several companies
>and a couple of F1 licenses I know what it actually costs...

>Cheers!
>John

While they may attempt to CHARGE $10M for a license, I can't
imagine ANY game with a budget large enough to support that just for
the LICENSE (hell, that'd be about 5 times the amount of the REST of
the entire process!); let alone a true racing "sim" (which has
agruably already been proven to have too small a customer base to
support such an expenditure).

Gunner

by **Eldre** » Fri, 21 May 1999 04:00:00

Remember earlier discussions about people who couldn't afford to upgrade their
video cards just to *play* GPL? Even though I've bought every Papyrus title
including Indy500, and paid $54.xx for GPL, I'm not ABOUT to pay $200 for a
game... I just don't have that kind of money to throw away.
I'd sign a petition, though... :-)

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by **John Walla** » Fri, 21 May 1999 04:00:00

> While they may attempt to CHARGE $10M for a license, I can't
>imagine ANY game with a budget large enough to support that just for
>the LICENSE (hell, that'd be about 5 times the amount of the REST of
>the entire process!); let alone a true racing "sim" (which has
>agruably already been proven to have too small a customer base to
>support such an expenditure).

Games can and have supported this in the past - it may explain why the
games themselves have obviously had minimal time and effort "lavished"
on the actual development or quality, and are punted out on as many
formats as possible. It's about the only way to make money, and a
virtual guarantee that we're unlikely to see an all out "sim" F1
title.

Cheers!
John

by **Jay Wolf** » Fri, 21 May 1999 04:00:00

>>no, no it's not. apparently, sierra/papy realized smaller than anticipated
>>revenues from GPL. just for fun, imagine if they doubled their take on the
>>program. the sales figures would show directly how many copies of GPL were
>>sold. if people bought it, they would make more. simple economics. i, for
>>one, would've paid over $200 for GPL if forced to. and i would gladly fork
>>over that amount now if the end result was a equally stunning NASCAR
>>simulation. unfortunately, my $200 alone would not sway the market. we
need
>>large numbers. heck, it might even get the point across moreso if we sent
$
>>to the papy crew directly! this type of act should not be silnet, however.
>>or even "silent". (oops). papy would have to know what the intentions were
>>to have the desired impact. how about a show of hands from those who would
>>support such an act.

>Remember earlier discussions about people who couldn't afford to upgrade
their
>video cards just to *play* GPL? Even though I've bought every Papyrus
title
>including Indy500, and paid $54.xx for GPL, I'm not ABOUT to pay $200 for
a
>game... I just don't have that kind of money to throw away.
>I'd sign a petition, though... :-)

well, the point is completely spunked. as of right now, there were a total
of...ONE (me) people that would volunteer to either send them some cash or
buy another copy of GPL to show support. i guess that people really don't
want it all that bad, eh?

by **Eldre** » Sat, 22 May 1999 04:00:00

No, you DID have other support, and you made people think, so it's not ALL
bad... :)
I've been trying to get SEVERAL friends to buy a copy. At least I'd be able
to beat SOMEBODY. Problem is...
Their computer won't HANDLE it - sound familiar? If the people I know had
strong enough systems, I could have sold at least 10 more copies. I would
guess that MOST of us know 5-10 people who'd be interested...whose systems
won't run GPL

I would show my support by encouraging others to purchase the game, and of
course I'd buy the new game myself - if my system could even RUN it... :(

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by **Andrew MacPhers** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

> total of...ONE (me) people that would volunteer to either send them
> some cash or buy another copy of GPL

Didn't reply because I'd already said somewhere else that I already have a second
copy. It's not a popular concept though, I've raised it before.

Andrew McP

rec.autos.simulators

Let's indeed put our money where our mouth is, and Papy respond to this

Let's indeed put our money where our mouth is, and Papy respond to this

Let's indeed put our money where our mouth is, and Papy respond to this

Let's indeed put our money where our mouth is, and Papy respond to this

Let's indeed put our money where our mouth is, and Papy respond to this

Let's indeed put our money where our mouth is, and Papy respond to this

Let's indeed put our money where our mouth is, and Papy respond to this

Let's indeed put our money where our mouth is, and Papy respond to this

Let's indeed put our money where our mouth is, and Papy respond to this

Let's indeed put our money where our mouth is, and Papy respond to this

Let's indeed put our money where our mouth is, and Papy respond to this