rec.autos.simulators

Oh, you are a warez, kiddie ..

Naturally.

Yep, sometimes you have to actually buy stuff.

Who is forcing you to buy anything? You haven't bought
anything up to this point.

Then, don't buy it.

[rolls eyes]

Why do you think they are from France?

1) Buy stuff and you get to enjoy stuff.

2) Don't buy stuff, you get to make posts like this.

3) I'll have fries with that.

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I bought GPL - yes actually true!! Paid $40 CAD for it.

I have been racing it for months and love it, WinVROC and all that
stuff.

Of course I want all the new (old) tracks.

So, I have to pay $30 to Dave Noonan (no grudges, he worked hard) for
the
Converter.

Then I have to pay $15 plus $22 shipping to Sierra for the privilege of
owning a 5-year-old sim (ICR2).

So let's see, that's $67 for 10 fuzzy track remakes to add value to a
program I
already own????

For heaven's sake, will Papyrus get up off their Gallic asses and make a
track pack??

Wilf, trying to be a good citizen (but is it any wonder people look for
warez sites??)

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Before you buy.

To put anyone down for this would make you the worst kind of
hypocrite. I like reading your posts. Please don't do it.

Tim

Your complaint will probably fall on deaf ears.  $67  is nothing compared to
the hundreds many people have spent on wheels, RAM, 3D cards, sound cards,
high-speed modems, DSL lines, driving gloves, goggles, massage therapists,
psychotherapists, etc.

I'm one of those, and I still think GPL is the best value of any computer
pastime I've every seen.

Kurt, with a serious Laguna Seca knot in his upper back.

I have had GPL since day one, and have recently bought
NFS: PU and am going to get F1-2000 on Monday.

Do I qualify for  good guy status,  now?

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Point me to a racing or driving sim/game that has the attention paid to it
that GPL did....and then tell me the price....and then tell me GPL isn't
worth double what you paid for it.  Do you think the enjoyment you have
received from it is supposed to be free?  Where else do you get hours and
hours of free enjoyment (and no, not even that is really free)?

Marc.

As I said in my original post quite clearly, I purchased GPL. I resent
being called a "warez kiddie" by someone who hasn't bothered to read my
post, or thinks they can read my mind.

My reference to the "Sunday School graduates" is a dig at the self-
righteous behaviour of all the folks on this list that bought ICR2 5
years ago, and think everyone else should today. I am merely suggesting
there might be another way.

I purchased the GPL converter, and I also purchased the ICR2 package
from Sierra. The $67 I am complaining about, I have already spent. With
me so far?

My reason in posting is to see if others agree that Papyrus would be
wise to release a track pack, so that hard-working folks like Dave
Noonan wouldn't have to reverse-engineer them. And perhaps if we all
wrote Papyrus or Sierra, they would consider doing it. And I bet, it
would cost a lot less than $67.

Too late for me, but it might benefit others. Who knows, maybe they
would even create new tracks altogether!

Cheers, a good citizen

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Before you buy.

Stephen

   "..have been racing it for months and love it, WinVROC and all that stuff."

You have been using GPL, without paying for it, for some time
now. Here's a post from you in January:

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http://x43.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=572564041&CONTEXT=954016018.877...

  Subject: GPL - Serial or Direct Connection ?  

 Date:   2000/01/14

 Newsgroups:   rec.autos.simulators

 [snip]

 Another option would be to dial-in to my P233 with a 56K modem, but I
 would obviously prefer a direct connection.

 Thanks in advance for your assistance. I love this game and WinVROC has
  made it even better!

 Wilf Tonsmann

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Maybe 'warez kiddie' is too strong a description. Maybe you should be
called 'someone who uses a game for months without paying for it.'.

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This newsgroup has fallen badly in the last several weeks - everyone is
either flaming or looking for warez.  Pathetic.

Oh, maybe it's cool to flame those who aren't regulars - if you're a regular
warez and stuff is perfectly fine - or am I missing something?

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"Who is the more foolish?  The fool, or the fool who follows him?" -
Obi-Wan Kenobi

Go #43 and #44!

volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com

He didn't - he said he paid for GPL - and wasn't real happy that he'd have
to kick out a fair amount of money for ICR2 for tracks and for the
converter.  He's saying that getting warez is *tempting*, not that he has
done or will do so.  His point is that if Papy would make a track pack, he
wouldn't be tempted in the least due to it being lower cost.

Much like if game companies had demos, we wouldn't be tempted to grab warez
for that use, to use much of the common logic around here the last few
weeks.

Sorry, but it seems many here are trying to have their cake and eat it too -
slam some companies and justify grabbing warez and still act righteous about
it ("Evil EA trying to grab our $30"), yet still slam anyone who even hints
at it for the companies that have gotten the "RAS Stamp of Approval".  The
guy merely mentions warez and he's accused of being a "warez kiddie" even
though it was clear to me he had PAID for the copy of GPL he was using and
hadn't warezed anything.

Some of the folks in this newsgroup are really amazing me lately, and not
for the good......

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"Who is the more foolish?  The fool, or the fool who follows him?" -
Obi-Wan Kenobi

Go #43 and #44!

volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com

Ken, if he bought it last year, then he can say so.
He has posts from January that indicate he is using it.
If he does that, I will publicly apologize.

Here's a tip for you, Ken. I have NO game that I have used for over
an hour or two that I haven't purchased. If I had a scanner, I would
scan a picture of my 2 bookcases and a large table filled with game
boxes.

Not good enough for you?

Too ***ing bad.

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I'm not trying to get into a bunch of flamefests over the warez thing.  I
stated that I have done it a few times myself, well, *twice*.  Both times it
was for software that wasn't being imported into the US and I wanted to try
them before shelling out extra money to get them without some knowledege.
Both were on the machine for a day or so, and then deleted.  Both needed a
manual badly so the warez thing didn't do me that much good anyways.  And I
tried to grab the GPL warez way back when, just to play it a week early - I
was still going to buy it.  Couldn't find it so had to wait.  Never openly
discussed where to get any of this or what my impressions were of any of
this stuff on a regular newsgroup, though - leads to WAY too many problems
as we've seen here.

And I've got some abandonware stuff that probably isn't entirely legal, but
I can't get it anywhere else.  And it's usually stuff I have had in the
past.

It's just that I didn't read the guys post at all the same as you did, and
think that he's been playing the GPL he bought months ago, and that jumping
on him was jumping the gun a bit, especially since some will see it as
hypocritical.  You had to see that coming.  The main reason that warez talk
just isn't done in "regular" newsgroups - everything gets into a lot of gray
areas, and while regulars probably see the logic in demoing something like
F12K and know that you and most of the others will pay for it if you use it,
to many others won't see the reality of it and think it's an excuse to warez
everything - "look, the regulars are doing it, so I can too".   They can
argue that we're dealing in semantics, which is somewhat true.

Back to the original point, I could paraphrase what the original poster said
with my own experience:

"I bought GPL - yes actually true!! Paid $40 US for it.  I have been racing
it for over a year and love it, WinVROC and all that stuff."

Now, I've had the game since day of release, but wouldn't feel the need to
explicitly state that I did so.  I think you're reading more into what the
guy said and assuming he warezed it and then paid for it later, just since
he alluded to warez later in his post.  You could read it that way but it
seems a reach to me.  I read it that he's being sarcastic about much of the
warez talk here even though he said warez were tempting in his post.

If he was indeed playing if for 2 months before buying it, then I'll give
YOU an apology Ed.  No biggie on my end - but the sooner these warez
discussions fade the better.

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"Who is the more foolish?  The fool, or the fool who follows him?" -
Obi-Wan Kenobi

Go #43 and #44!

volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com

Me either, Ken, thats what makes his post sound as if he just bought
it after several months of using it.

That could very well be. If so, I apologize *profusely* to him.
I haven't heard him say differently though, have you?
If he does state that he didn't warez it for months, I will
make a heartfelt public apology to him.

No apologies necessary, Ken, I guess the warez accusations may have
gone too far. First they did it to me, and now I did it to 'them'.
It needs to stop, I agree.

Also, my apologies to you for my bad choice of language toward
you. I hope you know I value our friendship.

[sniff]

 ;)

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