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How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

Wingwong Wo

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Wingwong Wo » Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:41:26



I don't think vicitms of hurricane Katrina would agree with you.

rqk

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by rqk » Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:29:45


> How much are the Radical and the Skip Barber?

They are both $15.00 each.
JP

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by JP » Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:37:12

  It would be working fine, but thanks :)


> You fix your internet connection :)

> -Larry



> >  Ok, thanks.  Having said that, what happens if (when) the web page
> > vanishes ?

Andrew MacPhers

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Andrew MacPhers » Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:14:00


> My guess is about 3 years

Yesterday, spurred on by learning about the Historix mod for rFactor, I
took a fresh look at LFS and rFactor. And found both of them awful to
drive. Disturbingly unsatisfying.

Back to iRacing and my Skippy (still a slug off the line and in need of a
new 1st gear to enable a little wheel spin) was a pleasure to drive. It's
like GPL all over again, though that awful (ok, 'challenging') Solstice
masks the fact that you're driving quite a revolutionary engine.

Or am I just getting brainwashed? That'd be a shame, because the pound's
sinking like a rock at the moment (probably due to excessive temporary
enthusiasm for the dollar), which means iRacing is getting more expensive
by the day. I could do with some level-headed rationality!

Anyway, after my initial Skippy VIR races, where some truly awful driving
by others marred my experience, I've had three races now in which close,
careful racing at my end of the field has been present, and there have
been fewer hot shots driving routinely beyond their limits. I suppose
that's inevitable as the week wears on and more people find their feet on
the track.

Who knows what's going on in my head... brainwashing, assimilation, or
just the slow, steady, reluctant realisation that this darned sim might
be worth all the money and hassle after all? I've seen enough good racing
now to imagine making it a routine part of my *** life... which has
been dwindling towards nothing over the last 12 months. It's nice to have
something which is actually persuading me to turn on the games box down
the desk which I built for Crysis (which I still haven't finished).

I need to think about all this... or maybe just stop typing so I don't
seem like such an idiot changing my mind every day? ;-)

What I should probably do is give in to the dark side... buy a whole
year's subscription (giving the maximum iRacing 'cashback' to spend on
cars & tracks) and write it off as a hardware upgrade. After all,
everything we buy for our PCs depreciates to just about nothing very
quickly these days. If I just drive for a year, then give up, it'll be no
worse than buying a decent graphics card and watching it fall in price.

Mmm... except at the end of the year I still have a graphics card. :-)

Andrew McP

PS Of course none of this means iRacing, or my enjoyment, will last
anything like 3 years. Perhaps it's simply a time to forget cynicism and
do the carpe diem thing?

Tony

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Tony » Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:11:06


> Anyway, after my initial Skippy VIR races, where some truly awful driving
> by others marred my experience, I've had three races now in which close,
> careful racing at my end of the field has been present, and there have
> been fewer hot shots driving routinely beyond their limits. I suppose
> that's inevitable as the week wears on and more people find their feet on
> the track.

It should be the ratings simply working for you.

  > Mmm... except at the end of the year I still have a graphics card. :-)

That'll be worth loads... :)

At this rate we will all chip in :)

Cheers
Tony

hoove

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by hoove » Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:16:10


> Though equally if my cable company pull the plug I won't be able to come
> on here and moan about how I can't play iRacing any more! I will have to
> go and source another internet service. If iRacing go awol I will have
> to find another internet racing service.

True enough, still I was on about the *total* loss of accessibility in
the case of iRacing, while GTR and "classic" simtitles would still at
least provide some offline entertainment, not so with iRacing.

I've heard the GTR2 lobby seems to be back up (run by simbin now), but
I wouldn't hold my breath for a quick restoration of service when
iRacing goes belly up ;-> (still I wish them all the best)

Cheers, Uwe

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Larr

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Larr » Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:41:13

Andrew,

If you are going to sign up for a year, make sure you do it before the 29th.
28th to be safe.  There is a $15 bonus iRacing credit that's going to be
applied to those accounts that have year-long subscriptions at that time :)

Free car!

-Larry



>> My guess is about 3 years

> Yesterday, spurred on by learning about the Historix mod for rFactor, I
> took a fresh look at LFS and rFactor. And found both of them awful to
> drive. Disturbingly unsatisfying.

> Back to iRacing and my Skippy (still a slug off the line and in need of a
> new 1st gear to enable a little wheel spin) was a pleasure to drive. It's
> like GPL all over again, though that awful (ok, 'challenging') Solstice
> masks the fact that you're driving quite a revolutionary engine.

> Or am I just getting brainwashed? That'd be a shame, because the pound's
> sinking like a rock at the moment (probably due to excessive temporary
> enthusiasm for the dollar), which means iRacing is getting more expensive
> by the day. I could do with some level-headed rationality!

> Anyway, after my initial Skippy VIR races, where some truly awful driving
> by others marred my experience, I've had three races now in which close,
> careful racing at my end of the field has been present, and there have
> been fewer hot shots driving routinely beyond their limits. I suppose
> that's inevitable as the week wears on and more people find their feet on
> the track.

> Who knows what's going on in my head... brainwashing, assimilation, or
> just the slow, steady, reluctant realisation that this darned sim might
> be worth all the money and hassle after all? I've seen enough good racing
> now to imagine making it a routine part of my *** life... which has
> been dwindling towards nothing over the last 12 months. It's nice to have
> something which is actually persuading me to turn on the games box down
> the desk which I built for Crysis (which I still haven't finished).

> I need to think about all this... or maybe just stop typing so I don't
> seem like such an idiot changing my mind every day? ;-)

> What I should probably do is give in to the dark side... buy a whole
> year's subscription (giving the maximum iRacing 'cashback' to spend on
> cars & tracks) and write it off as a hardware upgrade. After all,
> everything we buy for our PCs depreciates to just about nothing very
> quickly these days. If I just drive for a year, then give up, it'll be no
> worse than buying a decent graphics card and watching it fall in price.

> Mmm... except at the end of the year I still have a graphics card. :-)

> Andrew McP

> PS Of course none of this means iRacing, or my enjoyment, will last
> anything like 3 years. Perhaps it's simply a time to forget cynicism and
> do the carpe diem thing?

Andrew MacPhers

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Andrew MacPhers » Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:51:00


> If you are going to sign up for a year, make sure you
> do it before the 29th.

My month runs out on the 31st anyway, so I have to decide before then.
It'd be a good way of forcing me to drive, because I hate to waste money.
:-)

Before then though I have to work out whether it's two weeks of racing
regularly (for the first time in years) which is causing renewed problems
in my hands. I now remember it was a factor in why I stopped driving GPL
regularly, and I think it's because I'm a pretty tense driver... I
sometimes realise I'm*** onto the wheel like it was stopping me
drowning. So I need to work on relaxing my wheel technique as well as
tightening my lap times. So I suspect this may nudge me into a buying a
month at a time.

Besides, the Skippy is the only car I intend to drive* (to stop me
diluting my limited talent across too many tracks and cars), so a bulk
discount for tracks & vehicles isn't top of my priority list.

I also think there will need to be more aggressive discounts available
later on. It's the yearly subs which should form the core of iRacing's
business model (as it allows a degree of predictable income which the
monthlies can't match in business terms), so they have every reason to
actively promote it, especially if growth is as slow as we think it might
be.

Andrew McP

*famous last words!

Andrew MacPhers

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Andrew MacPhers » Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:51:00


> That'll be worth loads... :)

My 8800GTS is well over a year old and handles everything I throw at it
(with a few compromises, obviously). It may not be worth much, but its
value to me is still very high.

All iRacing leaves you with is memories.  :-)

Andrew McP

DavEr

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by DavEr » Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:13:34



> snip
> Before then though I have to work out whether it's two weeks of racing
> regularly (for the first time in years) which is causing renewed problems
> in my hands. I now remember it was a factor in why I stopped driving GPL
> regularly, and I think it's because I'm a pretty tense driver... I
> sometimes realise I'm*** onto the wheel like it was stopping me
> drowning. So I need to work on relaxing my wheel technique as well as
> tightening my lap times. So I suspect this may nudge me into a buying a
> month at a time.

>snip

> Andrew McP

> *famous last words!

I used to have some numbness in my hands back when I used a Force feedback
wheel. Had to turn the FF effects almost to nil. Changed to a non FF wheel
over a year ago and I'm not getting the numbness anymore. I miss the
information the FF gave me but retaining the feeling in my hands was a
better deal :)

Dave

Andrew MacPhers

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Andrew MacPhers » Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:42:00


> I used to have some numbness in my hands back when I
> used a Force feedback wheel.

My previous wheel had no FFB, and I have it dialled back in iRacing, so
I'm pretty sure it's just the prolonged gripping, combined with twitching
the paddle shift, which is the problem.

I must experiment with my Momo's buttons instead of the paddles, but
they're not ideally placed for routine use. At the moment th easiest two
are mapped to view left & right, but a combination of the overhead mirror
and wing mirrors on the Skippy make the view buttons fairly redundant.

Andrew McP

Rob

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Rob » Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:50:29



>> I used to have some numbness in my hands back when I
>> used a Force feedback wheel.

> My previous wheel had no FFB, and I have it dialled back in iRacing, so
> I'm pretty sure it's just the prolonged gripping, combined with twitching
> the paddle shift, which is the problem.

> I must experiment with my Momo's buttons instead of the paddles, but
> they're not ideally placed for routine use. At the moment th easiest two
> are mapped to view left & right, but a combination of the overhead mirror
> and wing mirrors on the Skippy make the view buttons fairly redundant.

> Andrew McP

I've been using a joystick for iRacing <hides>, though I do have a force
feedback microsoft wheel and pedals. Is it worth going to a wheel? I know
the last time I tried the wheel - a long time ago with GPL my lap times were
considerably slower.

I guess I should make this decision sooner rather than later, before I leave
the ranks of the rookie.

Btw How is the force feedback in iRacing? Worth making the switch for?

RobP

Andrew MacPhers

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Andrew MacPhers » Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:08:00


> I've been using a joystick for iRacing <hides>

I remember quite a few people staying with a stick for steering in GPL.
Apparently it can give you an advantage because you can 'spin' through
the full wheel range more quickly.

I first raced GPL with a stick and it took quite a while to adapt to a
wheel (especially as I've never driven in real life). Looking at my lap
times, some would say I never have. :-)

I'm not a huge fan of it in any game to be honest... unless it's minimal
I just find it distracting. But everyone seems to say iRacing's FFB is
very good (once you've got it tweaked to your preferences).

I also think FFB is a marketing device by manufacturers... what better
for profits than building in a system of motors & gears which are bound
to wear out long before the pots do? :-)

Andrew McP

jeffarei

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by jeffarei » Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:34:16

Force feedback behaves as an assist in some games. In GTR and GTR2, the
steering goes unrealistically light when the fronts are at the limit.
In LFS, the force feedback tends to unrealistically point the tires in
the direction of travel in the case of severe oversteer. The tendencies
may be based on realisim, but are greatly exagerrated in these games.

Larr

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Larr » Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:16:59

Funny you should mention that.

I've been racing a lot more recently, and I've noticed discomfort/weakness
in my arms at the inner edges of the arms just in front of the elbow joint.
It's actually getting pretty bad right now.  I couldn't even lift a frying
pan this morning.

-Larry



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