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How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

mookyt

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by mookyt » Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:17:20


This is my theory on the whole Iracing plan.

What is being offered now is just the basic, tip of the iceberg plan.
Iracing is in with Rousch-Fenway racing. EA sports will lose the
license for Nascar games. At that point Iracing (already with their
foot in the door due to their currrent affiliations) will get control
making it an online subscription service.

Americans love their Na$car racing so what a perfect way to boost the
number of subscribers and boost profits. There has not been a good
Nascar game since N2K so why not return the license to the team who
knows how to get it done. This time modern era online, pay as you go
style.

My two cents...

DC

Rob

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Rob » Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:25:01



> This is my theory on the whole Iracing plan.

> What is being offered now is just the basic, tip of the iceberg plan.
> Iracing is in with Rousch-Fenway racing. EA sports will lose the
> license for Nascar games. At that point Iracing (already with their
> foot in the door due to their currrent affiliations) will get control
> making it an online subscription service.

> Americans love their Na$car racing so what a perfect way to boost the
> number of subscribers and boost profits. There has not been a good
> Nascar game since N2K so why not return the license to the team who
> knows how to get it done. This time modern era online, pay as you go
> style.

> My two cents...

> DC

Sounds plausible. I think being the first and having their contacts and a
continuous revenue stream will mean that they can keep producing content. I
remember on my registration questionnaire they even asked if I liked
motorcycle sims...

As an aside, I have never fully understood Americans devotion to the oval
circuit, maybe they don't understand why Europeans like going around windy
circuits... I haven't done an oval yet in iRacing, but will try it at least
once just to see what the fuss is about!

RobP

Larr

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Larr » Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:26:14

On the Nascar thing?  We can only hope :)

-Larry



This is my theory on the whole Iracing plan.

What is being offered now is just the basic, tip of the iceberg plan.
Iracing is in with Rousch-Fenway racing. EA sports will lose the
license for Nascar games. At that point Iracing (already with their
foot in the door due to their currrent affiliations) will get control
making it an online subscription service.

Americans love their Na$car racing so what a perfect way to boost the
number of subscribers and boost profits. There has not been a good
Nascar game since N2K so why not return the license to the team who
knows how to get it done. This time modern era online, pay as you go
style.

My two cents...

DC

btgos

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by btgos » Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:42:36

City of Heroes has around 130K subscribers.
Eve Online has around 70K subscribers.
I have posted many times that for iRacing to be successful it is going
to need numbers at least approaching Eve Online.
After having played the game for almost a month, I don't see anything
that has changed my mind.
Also, while I really like the sim/game I have to admit I am most
likely the development teams worst nightware.
I love racing Legends cars on short oval tracks.
Love it.
It is like racing with a good bunch of NR2K3 players in a good fixed
setup race. I will most likely not buy too many of the add-ons, or at
least not until I am King of the Legends. Too many people like me and
the numbers needed go up even more.
rqk

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by rqk » Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:11:56


> When you say buying the Skip Barber car, you mean with real life currency?

Well I wasn't figuring in the iRacing dollars, so yes I was thinking
real money.   You only get 2 cars and a few tracks, so everything else
you want (or need for a series) has to be purchased extra as a one time
charge.
Byron Forbe

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Byron Forbe » Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:35:34



>> Jeez, what a stretch, all in the name of using a word so hated in the
>> end-user software community.  Nice Job!

> He has a point, Larry. You cannot deny that while the GTR2 users (and
> possibly GTL as well, dunno) are fscked now regarding online
> racing. iRacing users / paying subscribers however will be truly
> fscked should JH ever decide to call it a day and spend his money on
> other projects. We will be left with nothing in this case, while GTR2
> at least will provide offline enjoyment as long as the DVD lasts.

> All the best, Uwe

> --

    I would be pretty sure that if iRacing is successful that it will
obviously become self sustaining and JH can take a hike for all anyone
cares. And pardon the blasphemy but there may even come a time when DK
himself can do likewise. Point being that anyone in the future will be able
to take the reigns (ie buy) of this potentially immortal project and keep it
going forever.
Bob Lobla

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Bob Lobla » Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:03:16



>> When you say buying the Skip Barber car, you mean with real life
>> currency?

> Well I wasn't figuring in the iRacing dollars, so yes I was thinking real
> money.   You only get 2 cars and a few tracks, so everything else you want
> (or need for a series) has to be purchased extra as a one time charge.

How much are the Radical and the Skip Barber?
JP

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by JP » Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:29:38

  Ok, thanks.  Having said that, what happens if (when) the web page
vanishes ?


> iRacing does not use activation.  It does not need it.  It is an ONLINE
ONLY
> service.  Everything is done via the web page.

> -Larry




message


> >> > shows again that it#s a bad idea to put all your online
> >> > eggs into one company's basket.

> >> It would be nice to think that if iRacing folded, the enthusiasts on
the
> >> team would ensure their work didn't die with them. But given the
> >> corporate nature of the company and backing, I suspect if they decided
to
> >> shut the door they'd still want to sit very tight on the intellectual
> >> property rights. So everyone would have to wave goodbye to their
> >> investment in time and money.

> >> That's quite a risk really, and that in itself might make it more
likely
> >> iRacing fails... a sort of self-fulfilling prophesy.

> >> Andrew McP

> >   Not only that, but if I'm not mistaken, iracing requires online
> > activation, etc.  If so, good luck running the program you *paid* for,
> > if/once the activation servers go down for good.

> >  Of course, when (not if) this happens, the usual "we promise we'll
> > release
> > a patch so that activation, etc. isn't required anymore" line will come
> > out.
> > In reality, that has yet to happen from all parties that have said it in
> > the
> > past.

> >  Hopefully I'm mistaken on whether iracing requires such items.

JP

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by JP » Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:31:23






message


> >> > shows again that it#s a bad idea to put all your online
> >> > eggs into one company's basket.

> >> It would be nice to think that if iRacing folded, the enthusiasts on
the
> >> team would ensure their work didn't die with them. But given the
> >> corporate nature of the company and backing, I suspect if they decided
to
> >> shut the door they'd still want to sit very tight on the intellectual
> >> property rights. So everyone would have to wave goodbye to their
> >> investment in time and money.

> >> That's quite a risk really, and that in itself might make it more
likely
> >> iRacing fails... a sort of self-fulfilling prophesy.

> >> Andrew McP

> >   Not only that, but if I'm not mistaken, iracing requires online
> > activation, etc.  If so, good luck running the program you *paid* for,
> > if/once the activation servers go down for good.

> It isn't 'paid' for! One pays to use (hire) it. It's a simple enough
> concept.

   You mean you didn't have to pay money to access the program ?  <wink>

   Based on several examples from other companies in the past, yes.

- Show quoted text -

JP

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by JP » Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:33:05

  But insurance would take care of your house <g>


> Well now, ain't life one big risk...  A sink hole could swallow up my
house
> tomorrow and I'd be out a hell of a lot more than $13, plus a few paid-for
> cars and tracks.

> -Larry



> > He has a point, Larry. You cannot deny that while the GTR2 users (and
> > possibly GTL as well, dunno) are fscked now regarding online
> > racing. iRacing users / paying subscribers however will be truly
> > fscked should JH ever decide to call it a day and spend his money on
> > other projects. We will be left with nothing in this case, while GTR2
> > at least will provide offline enjoyment as long as the DVD lasts.

> > All the best, Uwe

> > --

Larr

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Larr » Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:41:54

You fix your internet connection :)

-Larry


Tony

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Tony » Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:48:05


> He has a point, Larry. You cannot deny that while the GTR2 users (and
> possibly GTL as well, dunno) are fscked now regarding online
> racing. iRacing users / paying subscribers however will be truly
> fscked should JH ever decide to call it a day and spend his money on
> other projects. We will be left with nothing in this case, while GTR2
> at least will provide offline enjoyment as long as the DVD lasts.

Though equally if my cable company pull the plug I won't be able to come
on here and moan about how I can't play iRacing any more! I will have to
go and source another internet service. If iRacing go awol I will have
to find another internet racing service.

Cheers
Tony

Tony

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Tony » Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:04:47


> As an aside, I have never fully understood Americans devotion to the
> oval circuit, maybe they don't understand why Europeans like going
> around windy circuits... I haven't done an oval yet in iRacing, but will
> try it at least once just to see what the fuss is about!

I have complete two oval races in the Legends just to find out what they
  were like in iRacing.

Somewhat remarkably with zero incidents and midfield finishes.

They are incredibly intense at such a short track and continually
amongst traffic. I can see why they become ***ive. I had the ffb set
a bit high in one race and I felt quite knackered come the end :)

The tricky thing for a genuine rookie who really knows very little about
short oval racing (I followed Mansell's progress in Indycars back in '93
and that is the extent of my oval track knowledge) is that it can feel a
bit overwhelming as with the strong US contingent in iRacing everyone
else seems to know what they are doing.

I am less inclined to jump into races to see how I get on, so it would
be good to coordinate joining practice sessions so that rookie europeans
like me can jump in and get to grips with running in traffic and making
moves without ruining other's races and SRs. Hopefully we can get that
organised in the West Europe Club.

Cheers
Tony

Tony

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Tony » Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:09:04


> And pardon the blasphemy but there may even come a time when DK
> himself can do likewise.

Please form an orderly queue for the stones, there are plenty to go
around...
Tony

How long will iRacing survive as subscription service?

by Tony » Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:17:12


> I think I agree with you on just about everything. I will be very
> surprised -- no doubt pleasantly -- if iRacing survives in its current
> form for more than a few years...

It is quite intriquing I admit. The problem is it is hard to think
outside of the traditional sim model. I really couldn't hazard a guess
how iRacing will look in a few years. There has to be a very cunning
plan. Too cunning even for the most cunning foxes of RAS...

ah! You prove my point sir!

I don't think it is modelled on hope but we shall see :)

Cheers
Tony


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