rec.autos.simulators

by **Mario Petrinovi** » Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:42:17

jeffareid:

Well, I don't know. In my language chess is called sport. In real
life racing you are mostly sitting in your car, and the only "sport" is
performed by crew that changes tires.

My point isn't actually in the amount of money to achieve good
selling numbers. It is the thing into which the money is put on. N4S puts
their money in good explosions (or something). iRacing puts its money into
things which makes it a good tool for real life racers, and in sanctioning
body and things like that. It is their goals we are discussing. Their goal
is to make this a sport. -- Mario Petrinovic

by **David Fisher's Left Testicl** » Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:25:18

Only 30? I had 36FPS. :o)

by **Byron Forbe** » Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:38:06

The point made has nothing to do with being pedantic about ones use of
the word "Sport". The point is that tRacing caters to the more serious
simmer who wants regulation and structure for proper competition as opposed
to pickup races without any of that.

Also, I believe that in the not too distant future, we will have
competitions in place where the champion of the top class will have a
legitimate claim to being the "World's" best simmer for that seasons
duration, much the same as formula 1. Unless another company follows
iRacing's lead, then an iRacing champion will be just that - "World
Champion"!

by **schoone** » Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:45:45

>>> iRacing ... sport

>> I wouldn't call any computer activity a sport. Some claim that flying
>> radio control
>> models is a sport. I fly radio control gliders, mostly at a slope site
>> where there's
>> an updraft, and most of the time, I'm just twiddling a pair of small
>> joysticks.
>> The only sport aspect in this is if the updraft goes away, and I have to
>> go down
>> and back up the slope to retieve the model.

> The point made has nothing to do with being pedantic about ones use of
> the word "Sport". The point is that tRacing caters to the more serious
> simmer who wants regulation and structure for proper competition as
> opposed to pickup races without any of that.

Leagues have offerred much of this now for years.

by **Mario Petrinovi** » Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:19:28

schooner:

But isn't iRacing "the league of the leagues", or however you are
saying. This means, the greatest of them all. -- Mario Petrinovic

by **Byron Forbe** » Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:37:15

>>>> iRacing ... sport

>>> I wouldn't call any computer activity a sport. Some claim that flying
>>> radio control
>>> models is a sport. I fly radio control gliders, mostly at a slope site
>>> where there's
>>> an updraft, and most of the time, I'm just twiddling a pair of small
>>> joysticks.
>>> The only sport aspect in this is if the updraft goes away, and I have to
>>> go down
>>> and back up the slope to retieve the model.

>> The point made has nothing to do with being pedantic about ones use of
>> the word "Sport". The point is that tRacing caters to the more serious
>> simmer who wants regulation and structure for proper competition as
>> opposed to pickup races without any of that.

> Leagues have offerred much of this now for years.

Tell me of a league where it's champion had a claim to call himself
"World Champion".

by **schoone** » Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:57:35

>>>>> iRacing ... sport

>>>> I wouldn't call any computer activity a sport. Some claim that flying
>>>> radio control
>>>> models is a sport. I fly radio control gliders, mostly at a slope site
>>>> where there's
>>>> an updraft, and most of the time, I'm just twiddling a pair of small
>>>> joysticks.
>>>> The only sport aspect in this is if the updraft goes away, and I have
>>>> to go down
>>>> and back up the slope to retieve the model.

>>> The point made has nothing to do with being pedantic about ones use
>>> of the word "Sport". The point is that tRacing caters to the more
>>> serious simmer who wants regulation and structure for proper competition
>>> as opposed to pickup races without any of that.

>> Leagues have offerred much of this now for years.

> Tell me of a league where it's champion had a claim to call himself
> "World Champion".

So iRacing deemed themselves the head of all things sim racing so they could
say their winner is world champion?
Any league could have made up the same title since it is merely that, a made
up title.
What makes iRacing the defacto standard and authority for handing out such a
title? Just curious.

by **Dirt** » Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:05:40

They can use "world" because anybody from any country in the world
with an internet connection can join. They can use "champion" because
they hold structured competitions intended to crown a series
champion. Technically there's nothing wrong with a "world champion"
claim because it's true; a series champion can come from anywhere in
the world. Even if another sim starts a "world championship" that
doesn't invalidate the truth of iRacing's claim because I doubt
iRacing have specifically claimed to have the ONLY world champion,
just A world champion.

by **schoone** » Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:24:41

Exactly, so any league coudl do the same with any sim, whic hwas my orginal
point.

They can use "world" because anybody from any country in the world
with an internet connection can join. They can use "champion" because
they hold structured competitions intended to crown a series
champion. Technically there's nothing wrong with a "world champion"
claim because it's true; a series champion can come from anywhere in
the world. Even if another sim starts a "world championship" that
doesn't invalidate the truth of iRacing's claim because I doubt
iRacing have specifically claimed to have the ONLY world champion,
just A world champion.

by **Mario Petrinovi** » Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:15:30

schooner:

So, go to any league. Or any "sim". Do and race anything, if that is
your point. I don't vaste my time on anything. iRacing is the best of its
kind, and by every day it is better. rFactor "physics" makes me laugh (one
guy on iRacing forum made a joke, by requesting that iRacing also have that
chasis "shaking" thing that rFactor has, "it's so cool", lol). Real life
drivers have benefit of racing iRacing. iRacing has the quality, the
quantity, and one day it will have the money to back all this up, and to
expand all over the World. You have something against it? I don't have.
iRacing has good idea, actually excellent idea. -- Mario Petrinovic

by **schoone** » Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:57:39

I have nothing against it either, was an early alpha tester in fact, I'm
jsut saying it isn't all new and innovative as many want to believe.
it also isn't the be all and end all for all simmers. It also falls short
in a number of areas that other sims already do.

by **Mario Petrinovi** » Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:09:01

schooner:

Yes, you are right about that, thanks.
Although, when I read your post again I notice that you are not that
much right. I would say that introducing laser scanned tracks, and the whole
concept of sanctioning body and all this, is revolutionary for sim racing,
there is no doubt about it. Plus, iRacing developed the most important
things, like incident penalty, physics, FF. OTOH, it lacks on less
important things. Like a lot of people, I think that Kaemmer is the guy who
very well (actually, the best) places priorities. For example, weather would
only confuse things (for now). He excluded weather ON PURPOSE, not because
iRacing is unable to deliver. Smart guy. Once thing expand, then weather can
have some SENSE in the whole project. -- Mario Petrinovic

by **Byron Forbe** » Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:51:41

Well I'm still waiting for an answer to my original question - what
league?

BTW, I have no idea if iRacing have any intention of doing what I
suggest. But with their setup and a little balls, inititive and desire I
believe they could do it.

How did Formula 1 get started?

> Exactly, so any league coudl do the same with any sim, whic hwas my
> orginal point.

>> What makes iRacing the defacto standard and authority for handing out
>> such a
>> title? Just curious.

> They can use "world" because anybody from any country in the world
> with an internet connection can join. They can use "champion" because
> they hold structured competitions intended to crown a series
> champion. Technically there's nothing wrong with a "world champion"
> claim because it's true; a series champion can come from anywhere in
> the world. Even if another sim starts a "world championship" that
> doesn't invalidate the truth of iRacing's claim because I doubt
> iRacing have specifically claimed to have the ONLY world champion,
> just A world champion.

by **Dirt** » Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:58:11

Back to the original topic, I got my wireless adapter and XP
recognized the 360 wheel and it calibrated fine. I dove in and joined
iRacing and spend a couple of hours with it last night. To my relief,
everything installed smoothly and there were no problems. The base
program was two downloads totaling ~750 meg! I let it auto-config and
I'm seeing a steady 50 fps at 1280x1024 resolution with pretty good
graphics. I'm not sure what is being left out because I haven't
explored the graphics options yet. I drove Sebring and there weren't
any grandstands along the pit straight, so I think some of the track
side objects are turned off. I may knock the resolution down tonight
and see if I can improve the fps a bit and add a few more track side
objects.

The little bit of driving I've done has me somewhat, <thinks a minute>
not disappointed, but just not as impressed as I was hoping. It's not
that anything is wrong, it's just that I suspect I had my expectations
set a little too high. It feels like NR2003 and, to a lesser extent
GPL, only with better graphics and a little more refinement from the
driving model. I'm not sure exactly what I was expecting so I'll
refrain from saying anything bad because it wouldn't be fair to
criticize it for my own failings.

One bit of disappointment is that the 360 wheel doesn't have any force
feedback and the force feedback box is grayed out in the control
config screen. Other than that it works brilliantly. I'll have to
check into it tonight to see if I've mis-configured something or if it
just isn't supported by a PC the way I'm using it.

I haven't searched the menu system enough to find a rookie session
that allows me to drive against others. I skipped most of the intro
reading because I was anxious to drive a bit before bed time, so I've
nobody but myself to blame.

-Dirt-

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