rec.autos.simulators

> : Ok... Let me start with this.
> :
> : It has potential.
> :
> : First off, there are a BILLION (with a B) settings in not only the
> Player
> : file, but in the wheel control files.  Now all some one has to do is
> write
> a
> : manual for it :)
> :
> : Now, as for car handling...
> :
> : I spent 5 hours on the Las Vegas setup.  So much for the Sunday Chores
> :)
> :
> : Here are a few tips:
> :
> : * Get RID of any Sterring Sensitivity settings you may have set.  Set it
> for
> : 50, which is neutral (dammit, I can't cough up the word for this I'm
> looking
> : for).
> :
> : * The factory provided race setup is SO screwed up in SO many ways, it's
> : hard to know where to start.  You need to adjust EVERYTHING.
> :
> : * The weight is way too far forward.  You gotta crank it back quite a
> bit.
> :
> : * The Wedge is loading the RF too much.  Remove some Wedge.
> :
> : *  The Track Bars are close, but you'll need to drop them after
> adjusting
> : the weight.  Use an equal amount of drop to settle the car after you get
> the
> : weight jacked right, then adjust the split to get the car to turn in the
> way
> : you like.
> :
> : * Tire pressures are close, but need tweaking.
> :
> : * Camber, especialy the left front, is way off.  It needs to be cranked
> up
> a
> : lot.  Since we don't know yet what the sim 'wants' as far as tire temps,
> I
> : went with a basic (I-M-O) of 10 degree steps.  For example I=220, M=210.
> : O=200 on the RF.
> :
> : * The way the camber, tire pressures and weights are set in the provided
> : race setup, the LF might as well be off the ground.  It is providing
> almost
> : NO grip to the race car.
> :
> : * The standard settings for the Race Setup proficed has the front end
> : (particularly the RF) loaded beyond belief.  This is why the car, out of
> the
> : box (so to say) heads for the wall at every turn. I can't believe they
> : released the setup with SO much weight jacked towards the front,
> : particularly the RF, and then hosed the pressures and camber on top of
> that.
> :
> : * Watch your front springs.  Don't go below 650 on either.  If you find
> : yourself launching for the wall all of a sudden just before the apex,
> and
> : don't understand why, it's because you are BOTTOMING OUT!  The sound is
> so
> : screwed up in the Demo that you can't hear this when it happens, but it
> is
> : there!
> :
> : I have not gotten around to tweaking the shocks, etc.   I've been
> : concentrating on getting the car turning and stable, THEN I'll go after
> : speed.  I did pull out the LF Fender to get the LF working.  I might
> back
> : off on that after further testing.
> :
> : Now, as for the controller....
> :
> : I do NOT like the way FF in this SIM works.  I've learned a little
> better
> : what it is trying to tell me, but there are serious problems (at least
> with
> : the MSFFW).  You can increase the FF level to increase the sensation,
> but
> : unfortunately it also GREATLY increases the spring tension and wipes out
> any
> : benefit.  The net effect is zero improvment and some seriously tired
> arms
> :)
> :
> : There are a billion (with a b) adjustments in the Wheel Config Templates
> : that come with the game and I can only hope someone will document it and
> : there is a setting to change this.
> :
> : Finally, I've noticed that many (most_) of the settings in the plr and
> other
> : settings files are not being used by the game in it's demo fashion.
> There
> : are a bunch of mirror settings beyond what has already been mentioned on
> RAS
> : (though the one to turn off car interference and the magnification were
> : superb changes and made the mirror very useful).  You can control the
> : position (needed since the POV doesn't position the mirror right),
> height,
> : width, etc... but none of them (except the one's mentioned above) seem
> to
> be
> : operable right now.
> :
> : Same for graphics, sound, etc.  In the sound section there are far more
> : adjustments than the game interface presents (I sure hope that is fixed
> in
> : the release).  Namely, the ability to change the car's engine volume AND
> the
> : ratio of other cars to yours as far as volume.  That will help the sound
> : problems a lot.
> :
> : The sounds=16 don't work for me.
> :
> : That's it for now.  I hope this setup helps others enjoy the demo a lot
> more
> : than it is as downloaded.  It sure has breathed a little hope into me :)
> :
> : I can attach the setup here if everyone promises not to kill me for it.
> : It's only 2 K :)

> Great post, Larry.  I too spent a ton of time yesterday on a Kansas setup.
> My best so far is 30.486, but I feel like there's more that can be done as
> I
> think my entry into turn 1 can be improved.

> FYI, couple of pointers from Bob Stanley, while he said he hasn't actually
> tried the demo, he did suggest starting with a Jasper setup from NR2003,
> and
> setting both front and rear tow out to 1/8".

> See what these cookie-cutter tracks do to us!  Like Mikey, we end up
> at the wrong damned track!

> -Larry

>> Las Vegas?  lol

>>  (ROFLMAO) where'd you get that demo?  mine has KS...

>> Larry enlightened us with:
>>> Ok... Let me start with this.

>>> It has potential.

>>> First off, there are a BILLION (with a B) settings in not only the
>>> Player file, but in the wheel control files.  Now all some one has
>>> to do is write a manual for it :)

>>> Now, as for car handling...

>>> I spent 5 hours on the Las Vegas setup.  So much for the Sunday
>>> Chores :)
>>> Here are a few tips:

>>> * Get RID of any Sterring Sensitivity settings you may have set. Set it
>>> for 50, which is neutral (dammit, I can't cough up the word for
>>> this I'm looking for).

>>> * The factory provided race setup is SO screwed up in SO many ways,
>>> it's hard to know where to start.  You need to adjust EVERYTHING.

>>> * The weight is way too far forward.  You gotta crank it back quite
>>> a bit.
>>> * The Wedge is loading the RF too much.  Remove some Wedge.

>>> *  The Track Bars are close, but you'll need to drop them after
>>> adjusting the weight.  Use an equal amount of drop to settle the car
>>> after you get the weight jacked right, then adjust the split to get
>>> the car to turn in the way you like.

>>> * Tire pressures are close, but need tweaking.

>>> * Camber, especialy the left front, is way off.  It needs to be
>>> cranked up a lot.  Since we don't know yet what the sim 'wants' as
>>> far as tire temps, I went with a basic (I-M-O) of 10 degree steps.
>>> For example I=220, M=210. O=200 on the RF.

>>> * The way the camber, tire pressures and weights are set in the
>>> provided race setup, the LF might as well be off the ground.  It is
>>> providing almost NO grip to the race car.

>>> * The standard settings for the Race Setup proficed has the front
>>> end (particularly the RF) loaded beyond belief.  This is why the
>>> car, out of the box (so to say) heads for the wall at every turn. I
>>> can't
>>> believe they released the setup with SO much weight jacked towards
>>> the front, particularly the RF, and then hosed the pressures and
>>> camber on top of that.
>>> * Watch your front springs.  Don't go below 650 on either.  If you
>>> find yourself launching for the wall all of a sudden just before the
>>> apex, and don't understand why, it's because you are BOTTOMING OUT!
>>> The sound is so screwed up in the Demo that you can't hear this when
>>> it happens, but it is there!

>>> I have not gotten around to tweaking the shocks, etc.   I've been
>>> concentrating on getting the car turning and stable, THEN I'll go
>>> after speed.  I did pull out the LF Fender to get the LF working.  I
>>> might back off on that after further testing.

>>> Now, as for the controller....

>>> I do NOT like the way FF in this SIM works.  I've learned a little
>>> better what it is trying to tell me, but there are serious problems
>>> (at least with the MSFFW).  You can increase the FF level to
>>> increase the sensation, but unfortunately it also GREATLY increases
>>> the spring tension and wipes out any benefit.  The net effect is
>>> zero improvment and some seriously tired arms :)
>>> There are a billion (with a b) adjustments in the Wheel Config
>>> Templates that come with the game and I can only hope someone will
>>> document it and there is a setting to change this.

>>> Finally, I've noticed that many (most_) of the settings in the plr
>>> and other settings files are not being used by the game in it's demo
>>> fashion.  There are a bunch of mirror settings beyond what has
>>> already been mentioned on RAS (though the one to turn off car
>>> interference and the magnification were superb changes and made the
>>> mirror very useful).  You can control the position (needed since the
>>> POV doesn't position the mirror right), height, width, etc... but
>>> none of them (except the one's mentioned above) seem to be operable
>>> right now.
>>> Same for graphics, sound, etc.  In the sound section there are far
>>> more adjustments than the game interface presents (I sure hope that
>>> is fixed in the release).  Namely, the ability to change the car's
>>> engine volume AND the ratio of other cars to yours as far as
>>> volume. That will help the sound problems a lot.

>>> The sounds=16 don't work for me.

>>> That's it for now.  I hope this setup helps others enjoy the demo a
>>> lot more than it is as downloaded.  It sure has breathed a little
>>> hope into me :)
>>> I can attach the setup here if everyone promises not to kill me for
>>> it. It's only 2 K :)

>>> -Larry

> : Ok... Let me start with this.
> :
> : It has potential.
> :
> : First off, there are a BILLION (with a B) settings in not only the
> Player
> : file, but in the wheel control files.  Now all some one has to do is
> write
> a
> : manual for it :)
> :
> : Now, as for car handling...
> :
> : I spent 5 hours on the Las Vegas setup.  So much for the Sunday Chores
> :)
> :
> : Here are a few tips:
> :
> : * Get RID of any Sterring Sensitivity settings you may have set.  Set it
> for
> : 50, which is neutral (dammit, I can't cough up the word for this I'm
> looking
> : for).
> :
> : * The factory provided race setup is SO screwed up in SO many ways, it's
> : hard to know where to start.  You need to adjust EVERYTHING.
> :
> : * The weight is way too far forward.  You gotta crank it back quite a
> bit.
> :
> : * The Wedge is loading the RF too much.  Remove some Wedge.
> :
> : *  The Track Bars are close, but you'll need to drop them after
> adjusting
> : the weight.  Use an equal amount of drop to settle the car after you get
> the
> : weight jacked right, then adjust the split to get the car to turn in the
> way
> : you like.
> :
> : * Tire pressures are close, but need tweaking.
> :
> : * Camber, especialy the left front, is way off.  It needs to be cranked
> up
> a
> : lot.  Since we don't know yet what the sim 'wants' as far as tire temps,
> I
> : went with a basic (I-M-O) of 10 degree steps.  For example I=220, M=210.
> : O=200 on the RF.
> :
> : * The way the camber, tire pressures and weights are set in the provided
> : race setup, the LF might as well be off the ground.  It is providing
> almost
> : NO grip to the race car.
> :
> : * The standard settings for the Race Setup proficed has the front end
> : (particularly the RF) loaded beyond belief.  This is why the car, out of
> the
> : box (so to say) heads for the wall at every turn. I can't believe they
> : released the setup with SO much weight jacked towards the front,
> : particularly the RF, and then hosed the pressures and camber on top of
> that.
> :
> : * Watch your front springs.  Don't go below 650 on either.  If you find
> : yourself launching for the wall all of a sudden just before the apex,
> and
> : don't understand why, it's because you are BOTTOMING OUT!  The sound is
> so
> : screwed up in the Demo that you can't hear this when it happens, but it
> is
> : there!
> :
> : I have not gotten around to tweaking the shocks, etc.   I've been
> : concentrating on getting the car turning and stable, THEN I'll go after
> : speed.  I did pull out the LF Fender to get the LF working.  I might
> back
> : off on that after further testing.
> :
> : Now, as for the controller....
> :
> : I do NOT like the way FF in this SIM works.  I've learned a little
> better
> : what it is trying to tell me, but there are serious problems (at least
> with
> : the MSFFW).  You can increase the FF level to increase the sensation,
> but
> : unfortunately it also GREATLY increases the spring tension and wipes out
> any
> : benefit.  The net effect is zero improvment and some seriously tired
> arms
> :)
> :
> : There are a billion (with a b) adjustments in the Wheel Config Templates
> : that come with the game and I can only hope someone will document it and
> : there is a setting to change this.
> :
> : Finally, I've noticed that many (most_) of the settings in the plr and
> other
> : settings files are not being used by the game in it's demo fashion.
> There
> : are a bunch of mirror settings beyond what has already been mentioned on
> RAS
> : (though the one to turn off car interference and the magnification were
> : superb changes and made the mirror very useful).  You can control the
> : position (needed since the POV doesn't position the mirror right),
> height,
> : width, etc... but none of them (except the one's mentioned above) seem
> to
> be
> : operable right now.
> :
> : Same for graphics, sound, etc.  In the sound section there are far more
> : adjustments than the game interface presents (I sure hope that is fixed
> in
> : the release).  Namely, the ability to change the car's engine volume AND
> the
> : ratio of other cars to yours as far as volume.  That will help the sound
> : problems a lot.
> :
> : The sounds=16 don't work for me.
> :
> : That's it for now.  I hope this setup helps others enjoy the demo a lot
> more
> : than it is as downloaded.  It sure has breathed a little hope into me :)
> :
> : I can attach the setup here if everyone promises not to kill me for it.
> : It's only 2 K :)

> Great post, Larry.  I too spent a ton of time yesterday on a Kansas setup.
> My best so far is 30.486, but I feel like there's more that can be done as
> I
> think my entry into turn 1 can be improved.

> FYI, couple of pointers from Bob Stanley, while he said he hasn't actually
> tried the demo, he did suggest starting with a Jasper setup from NR2003,
> and
> setting both front and rear tow out to 1/8".

> Is Cox Cable blocking Newsgroup attachments ?

> -Larry

> > : Ok... Let me start with this.
> > :
> > : It has potential.
> > :
> > : First off, there are a BILLION (with a B) settings in not only the
> > Player
> > : file, but in the wheel control files.  Now all some one has to do is
> > write
> > a
> > : manual for it :)
> > :
> > : Now, as for car handling...
> > :
> > : I spent 5 hours on the Las Vegas setup.  So much for the Sunday Chores
> > :)
> > :
> > : Here are a few tips:
> > :
> > : * Get RID of any Sterring Sensitivity settings you may have set.  Set
it
> > for
> > : 50, which is neutral (dammit, I can't cough up the word for this I'm
> > looking
> > : for).
> > :
> > : * The factory provided race setup is SO screwed up in SO many ways,
it's
> > : hard to know where to start.  You need to adjust EVERYTHING.
> > :
> > : * The weight is way too far forward.  You gotta crank it back quite a
> > bit.
> > :
> > : * The Wedge is loading the RF too much.  Remove some Wedge.
> > :
> > : *  The Track Bars are close, but you'll need to drop them after
> > adjusting
> > : the weight.  Use an equal amount of drop to settle the car after you
get
> > the
> > : weight jacked right, then adjust the split to get the car to turn in
the
> > way
> > : you like.
> > :
> > : * Tire pressures are close, but need tweaking.
> > :
> > : * Camber, especialy the left front, is way off.  It needs to be
cranked
> > up
> > a
> > : lot.  Since we don't know yet what the sim 'wants' as far as tire
temps,
> > I
> > : went with a basic (I-M-O) of 10 degree steps.  For example I=220,
M=210.
> > : O=200 on the RF.
> > :
> > : * The way the camber, tire pressures and weights are set in the
provided
> > : race setup, the LF might as well be off the ground.  It is providing
> > almost
> > : NO grip to the race car.
> > :
> > : * The standard settings for the Race Setup proficed has the front end
> > : (particularly the RF) loaded beyond belief.  This is why the car, out
of
> > the
> > : box (so to say) heads for the wall at every turn. I can't believe they
> > : released the setup with SO much weight jacked towards the front,
> > : particularly the RF, and then hosed the pressures and camber on top of
> > that.
> > :
> > : * Watch your front springs.  Don't go below 650 on either.  If you
find
> > : yourself launching for the wall all of a sudden just before the apex,
> > and
> > : don't understand why, it's because you are BOTTOMING OUT!  The sound
is
> > so
> > : screwed up in the Demo that you can't hear this when it happens, but
it
> > is
> > : there!
> > :
> > : I have not gotten around to tweaking the shocks, etc.   I've been
> > : concentrating on getting the car turning and stable, THEN I'll go
after
> > : speed.  I did pull out the LF Fender to get the LF working.  I might
> > back
> > : off on that after further testing.
> > :
> > : Now, as for the controller....
> > :
> > : I do NOT like the way FF in this SIM works.  I've learned a little
> > better
> > : what it is trying to tell me, but there are serious problems (at least
> > with
> > : the MSFFW).  You can increase the FF level to increase the sensation,
> > but
> > : unfortunately it also GREATLY increases the spring tension and wipes
out
> > any
> > : benefit.  The net effect is zero improvment and some seriously tired
> > arms
> > :)
> > :
> > : There are a billion (with a b) adjustments in the Wheel Config
Templates
> > : that come with the game and I can only hope someone will document it
and
> > : there is a setting to change this.
> > :
> > : Finally, I've noticed that many (most_) of the settings in the plr and
> > other
> > : settings files are not being used by the game in it's demo fashion.
> > There
> > : are a bunch of mirror settings beyond what has already been mentioned
on
> > RAS
> > : (though the one to turn off car interference and the magnification
were
> > : superb changes and made the mirror very useful).  You can control the
> > : position (needed since the POV doesn't position the mirror right),
> > height,
> > : width, etc... but none of them (except the one's mentioned above) seem
> > to
> > be
> > : operable right now.
> > :
> > : Same for graphics, sound, etc.  In the sound section there are far
more
> > : adjustments than the game interface presents (I sure hope that is
fixed
> > in
> > : the release).  Namely, the ability to change the car's engine volume
AND
> > the
> > : ratio of other cars to yours as far as volume.  That will help the
sound
> > : problems a lot.
> > :
> > : The sounds=16 don't work for me.
> > :
> > : That's it for now.  I hope this setup helps others enjoy the demo a
lot
> > more
> > : than it is as downloaded.  It sure has breathed a little hope into me
:)
> > :
> > : I can attach the setup here if everyone promises not to kill me for
it.
> > : It's only 2 K :)

> > Great post, Larry.  I too spent a ton of time yesterday on a Kansas
setup.
> > My best so far is 30.486, but I feel like there's more that can be done
as
> > I
> > think my entry into turn 1 can be improved.

> > FYI, couple of pointers from Bob Stanley, while he said he hasn't
actually
> > tried the demo, he did suggest starting with a Jasper setup from NR2003,
> > and
> > setting both front and rear tow out to 1/8".