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FF vs. non FF wheel ??

MadDAW

FF vs. non FF wheel ??

by MadDAW » Sat, 08 Dec 2001 22:48:26

    I'll have to check my book marks at home but I'll send it to ya this
weekend.  They used a Grant automotive wheel and adapter setup for a real
car. I think the redrilled the holes in the Grant adapter to match the flage
on the ACT Labs wheel. It looked pretty painsless really. They kept the
paddel shifters, but i don't think the kept the buttons on the wheel, if
there is any.

Are you guys thinking about a larger diameter wheel as an option?  IMO that
would be a very good idea :)

MadDAWG

Greg Cisk

FF vs. non FF wheel ??

by Greg Cisk » Sat, 08 Dec 2001 23:06:46

I am actually quite surprised at the number of people that
"claim" to turn off the FF. I have a Logitech Formula FF
and it is awesome in F1 2001. In fact it makes all the
difference in the game.

--



MadDAW

FF vs. non FF wheel ??

by MadDAW » Sat, 08 Dec 2001 23:18:24

I think that it has alot to do with what you want out of it. I to have the
Logitech and f12001. Now without messing with the countless variables in the
ini files I spend more time fighting the wheel than driving. So I just
turned it off.

MadDAWG

Steve Blankenshi

FF vs. non FF wheel ??

by Steve Blankenshi » Sun, 09 Dec 2001 00:16:23

Ditto that; the AL stuff looks to be very nice, but that 70's wheel has gotta go.  I keep wondering where the eight-track is...  ;-)

<begin impromptu wheel size preference poll>

11.5-12" sounds about right to me! (wider paddles, too)

SB

<snip>
<snip>

MadDAW

FF vs. non FF wheel ??

by MadDAW » Sun, 09 Dec 2001 01:07:07

gotta go.  I keep wondering where the eight-track is...  ;-)

Kinda looks like its out of one of those custom vans. Maybe thet can come
out with one of those chainlink ones :)

I think the standard TSW is 13 so thats where i was thinking. My Logitech is
10"  I think so i would say 12" would be min.

I saw a show on the early years of IROC and at a race at Riverside in the
early 70's G. Hill got into one of the Camaros and asked for a smaller wheel
because he thought the one in the cars was way to big. The mechanic told him
to just try it since the cars were alot different from what he was use to.
After a couple laps Hill came back to the pits and asked for a larger wheel.
:)

I'm no G. Hill but I want a bigger wheel too.
MadDAWG

Sinj

FF vs. non FF wheel ??

by Sinj » Sun, 09 Dec 2001 06:36:26

You have to toggle a flag option in the CORE.INI file.  
I forget the exact variable name - it was 2 years ago last I did it.


>> I thought it was maybe just me but when even Greger Huttu informs you he
>> drives GPL with his FF off,then maybe i am normal after all.

>So GPL support FF? I have just moved the lawn around this track in Africa
>for an hour or two but I felt no force. Do I have to download something?
>I have a MS FF usb on W2k.

>Jone.

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happy pupp

FF vs. non FF wheel ??

by happy pupp » Sun, 09 Dec 2001 06:51:23

http://www.vision-motorsports.com/ActLabsWheelRep.htm

MadDAWG

Haqsa

FF vs. non FF wheel ??

by Haqsa » Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:05:43

I don't think you really HAVE to mess with all of those variables.  Try
just setting FF Type to Wheel,  FF Effects to Medium, and FF Strength
to -70%.  Worked pretty well on my El Cheapo LWFFGP, so I assume it
would feel much better on the LWFF.


Pat Dotso

FF vs. non FF wheel ??

by Pat Dotso » Sun, 09 Dec 2001 11:49:45


> Not looking to start an argument, but what happens in a race car at speed is
> NOT felt through the hands. At high speed you really don't feel anything but
> G-forces (and their effects: bottoming out), you are simply holding on
> really.

The best FF effects right now aren't modeling what a steering wheel
would actually feel like.  It's modeling G-forces and mechanical
grip of the tires.  The result, while not a mirror of reality,
is very useful.  It adds realism to driving a sim, even though it
isn't necessarily realistic.

The seat of the pants feedback you want will be great, but it ain't
happenin' anytime soon.  Meanwhile, steering FF is providing a much
more realistic driving experience than running without FF.

BTW, if you really want realistic feedback, do what I did.  Buy a
kart and start racing for real.
--
Pat Dotson

Ryan

FF vs. non FF wheel ??

by Ryan » Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:59:18

Keep in mind that a Winston cup stock car has very wide tires, and I don't
think there's a power steering pump that could totally overcome the amount
of force those tires require to turn unless it took a lot of power away from
the engine - hence the very large wheels in the cars.

Ever driven an older GM (or Ford) full size car, truck, or van?  As far as I
know, those all have just about the lightest steering you could ever want to
have, but they still do provide feedback if you pay attention, especially at
higher speeds, and that's all just on lame street tires.  I drive a 1970 El
Camino (nice big V8), and the power steering pump on my car probably isn't
too much different from a Winston cup car.  I'm sure a cup car still has
fairly light steering for a race car, but there's still some feedback in the
wheel, particularly on some of those really high banks (Dover, Bristol,
Daytona, etc.).

This will be a little bit of a stretch, but my car's suspension is very much
like that of a stock car - solid rear axle, upper and lower control arms up
front, rear wheel drive, etc.  All I can tell you is that hitting a pothole,
or some other extreme bump in the road, with just one side of the
suspension, makes for one hell of a ride.  The wheel kicks VERY hard as the
front wheel goes over, and then the read end decides to go wherever it wants
to, just because it can, so you have to pray that it comes back down in your
own lane.  Good thing winston cup cars don't have to handle potholes.  Now
about cornering, you're right that it doesn't try to pull the wheel out of
your hands, but there is still enough tension that you need to use both
hands (I'm talking about 80+ mph).  Trust me, I've done it, there are some
very nice roads around here.

Just some of my observations,
Ryan

P.S.  I use FF in every game - can't live without it! Good ol' original
Logitech, waiting for a MOMO.


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