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GPL Hardware Requirements

Wolfgang Prei

GPL Hardware Requirements

by Wolfgang Prei » Tue, 08 Sep 1998 04:00:00


>On Sat, 05 Sep 1998 18:50:49 +0200, Christer Andersson

>>Great info, Alison, have one worry, though. You say the 256k L2 cache is a must,
>>so how about the new Celeron 300A's 128k L2 cache? It's half the size, but
>>running twice as fast as the P2's 256k L2 cache. Will there be a noticable
>>difference between the Celeron 300A and the P2 300 because of this?

>There will be a difference, but it shouldn't be noticable. I run the
>vanilla celery with no cache at all, and it kicks some serious butt.
>All graphics, all AI, networking as host, networking as client, no
>problem at all.

You should mention that you overclocked that chip severely, though.
(Which is "illegal." I still get a good laugh out of that one. :)

I wonder how overclockable the Mendocino turns out to be. It might be
a reason for me to switch back to Intel again.

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Gollu

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by Gollu » Tue, 08 Sep 1998 04:00:00


> Just curious, how many software titles today offer native RRedline support
> and how many offer native G3Dfx support?  Is the number even close?

Don't know about RRedline, but there are currently approx. 100 titles
that support Glide, with another *250* in development.  This according
to the latest 3Dfx press release about Glide.
Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 08 Sep 1998 04:00:00

That's a bit tool-intolerant, isn't it?

I seen some pretty good spanners ("Crescent" and "Sidchrome" for
instance) in my time and certainly wouldn't mind having a bag of them,
John.
 :o)


> I'd be pretty hacked off if my other favourite
> game Unreal looked like a bag of spanners on it.

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Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 08 Sep 1998 04:00:00

John, you can't have "image quality" being controlled by something such
as "user base" and "wider support".  There is absolutely no
relationship.  It's like saying that the health of your lawn is
dependant on frozen orange juice and ferris wheels!


> Not if you read what I wrote. I wrote "and _for_those_reasons_ (user
> base and wider support) generally offers better speed and image
> quality than a Rendition card".

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Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 08 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Close to what, Adam?
Itself? The Sun? Saturday?  What?


> Is the number even close?

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Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 08 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Absolutely not....irrespective of what you may have heard to the
contrary!
There's no stain on MY little black outfit....no sirree!


> A reference to your *** idiosyncrasies Bruce? :)


> > True, Christer, and they're not nearly as much fun as a banana.

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Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 08 Sep 1998 04:00:00

HA!!


> Not nearly as funny either.  =)


> > ...and they're not nearly as much fun as a banana.

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Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 08 Sep 1998 04:00:00


> you will get better framerates or visuals with a 3dFX card
> than with any other 3D card. This being due to a large user base and
> widespread card specific support.

John, John, John!

The size of a base and the width of the spread have absolutely no
bearing on the speed of frame-rates nor the quality of visuals!!!

Once again, per analogy, this is like saying that the size of your
underpants and the length of a cricket pitch determine how well the
Queen looks in her official photograph!

Think, lad, THINK, before you put these 3:00AM words down on plastic!!
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Bruce.
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Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 08 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Yuk!
"I seen = "I've seen"

("Back to banjo practice, Billy-Bruce!")


> I seen some

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Wolfgang Prei

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by Wolfgang Prei » Tue, 08 Sep 1998 04:00:00



>> you will get better framerates or visuals with a 3dFX card
>> than with any other 3D card. This being due to a large user base and
>> widespread card specific support.

>John, John, John!

>The size of a base and the width of the spread have absolutely no
>bearing on the speed of frame-rates nor the quality of visuals!!!

>Once again, per analogy, this is like saying that the size of your
>underpants and the length of a cricket pitch determine how well the
>Queen looks in her official photograph!

>Think, lad, THINK, before you put these 3:00AM words down on plastic!!

Bruce, in fairness you should quote the complete relevant passage of
what John wrote. It started with:

"[O]n average across the software you can buy today or in the near
future, you will get better framerates or visuals with a 3dFX card
than with any other 3D card."

On average. Out of 100 3D accelerated games, maybe 60 will have native
Glide support. Another 35 or so support D3D (but not Glide), which
also looks ok on a Voodoo based card. Maybe 5% will support another
chip exclusively (like ICR2) and will not use the Voodoo card. If you
now take the average of graphics quality delivered by a Voodoo card
and divide it by the total of 3D accelerated games, you get a pretty
good average.

OTOH, other graphics chips deliver arguably better results with their
native ports. But there are fewer native versions for those other
chipsets. In most cases, those cards have to use the D3D version,
which often (always?) is inferior in image quality and frame rate to a
native version. And there are games that are Glide-only. If you do the
same calculation as above, you will get a lower "average quality
index" than for a Voodoo card.

This is what John said (only less verbose), and I happen to agree with
it.

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John Walla

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by John Walla » Tue, 08 Sep 1998 04:00:00

On Mon, 07 Sep 1998 21:46:23 +1000, Bruce Kennewell


>That's a bit tool-intolerant, isn't it?

>I seen some pretty good spanners ("Crescent" and "Sidchrome" for
>instance) in my time and certainly wouldn't mind having a bag of them,
>John.

I'm as partial to a good spanner as the next guy - it's collecting
them together in a bag that makes them less pleasing to the eye. All
those sleek curves covered up by rough hessian (granted some
***ists of course may prefer this approach...)

Cheers!
John

John Walla

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by John Walla » Tue, 08 Sep 1998 04:00:00

On Mon, 07 Sep 1998 21:52:50 +1000, Bruce Kennewell


>John, you can't have "image quality" being controlled by something such
>as "user base" and "wider support".  There is absolutely no
>relationship.  It's like saying that the health of your lawn is
>dependant on frozen orange juice and ferris wheels!

1) Large user base = strong support from software industry = more
widespread usage in games = better visuals on average provided to
customers (more games offer 3D than 2D).

2) Liking for sun = sitting on lawn = requirement for cooling drink =
desire for large stocks of frozen orange juice.

Given a few minutes I'm sure I could work a ferris wheel in somewhere
(if yyou'll pardon the expression..!).

Cheers!
John

John Walla

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by John Walla » Tue, 08 Sep 1998 04:00:00



>You should mention that you overclocked that chip severely, though.
>(Which is "illegal." I still get a good laugh out of that one. :)

I would like to state officially for the benefit of the overclocking
poice that my Celeron was not overclocked....honest!

Actually it wasn't overclocked. I've tried it at 450Mhz and it works
fine (actually much more than fine! :-) ) but 300 is already fine for
GPL so all my racing and testing has been done at 300Mhz until now.

Initial results seem to be excellent. Intel seem to have a winner on
their hands with the Celeron.

Cheers!
John

ymenar

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by ymenar » Tue, 08 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Bruce Kennewell wrote

????...

Bruce...

I mean...

Not that...

I have anything against that...

but...

at your age ? ...

;-)


>> I prefer apples actually, cause oranges are way to messy ;o).

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by Marc J. Nelso » Tue, 08 Sep 1998 04:00:00


> At MY age it's about all I've got to look forward to!! :o)

'Cept maybe Viagra.  ;)

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