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looking for quality wheel

DTrager1

looking for quality wheel

by DTrager1 » Thu, 08 Jul 1999 04:00:00

LOL, you hit the nail on the head!!!!!!

I assume thoes that say the TSW is quality,  just have very low standards. I'm
not tring to put people down, but some are happy with "bailing
wire"..........I'll take the zip tys.

Since reciving my SRC,  I have become very good friends and teamates with
Rodney  the owner of SRC. If any of you are hesitant about the SRC Wheel for
any reason, I can assure you there is nothing to be worried about. Rodney is a
straight up guy, provides only the best quality and stands behind it.

http://www.racesimcentral.net/~srcwheel/

Dave Trager - DTrager
1998 NROS Pro Div. Finalist

Eldre

looking for quality wheel

by Eldre » Thu, 08 Jul 1999 04:00:00


So, the TSW *isn't* quality?!?  Dang, you guys are making it hard to decide
what to replace my T2 with.  I am NOT going to spend $1000+ on an ECCI.....

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John Bod

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by John Bod » Thu, 08 Jul 1999 04:00:00

The TSW products *ARE* quality devices -- it doesn't have the
Mercedes-level polish and paint that the ECCI wheel does, but compared
to any wheel from Thrustmaster, or the Microsoft Sidewinder, or the
Logitech Wingman, et al, the TSW products are quality personified;
these things are durable (nigh-indestructible), and they come with a
lifetime guarantee on the mechanical assemblies.  Yes, the TSW
products do have that one-of-a-kind model shop prototype look to them,
but, then again, they're hand-built, and they have that same rugged,
no-frills, purpose-built look that you find in *real* racing cars.
Ever had a chance to look in the***pit of a Winston Cup Monte Carlo?
If so, you know that from a "quality" and comfort standpoint, the
roadgoing Monte Carlo looks MUCH nicer -- but at 200 mph at Talladega,
you don't care how it LOOKS; what matters is how well it WORKS.

Like the Winston Cup Monte Carlo, the TSW works great, and although it
may look a little utilitarian, it definitely doesn't look like a
"piece of crap," as some people would have you believe.  The TSW
products are solid, purpose-built, no-frills devices that work great
(OK, so a genuine MOMO wheel does constitute a "frill," perhaps).  The
ECCI wheel may be a more polished product, but it's kind of like
comparing a Mercedes SLK to a Miata -- for the price difference, the
paint and leather had BETTER be nicer on the Mercedes, but overall the
Miata pretty much works just as well, thank you very much! <G>.  

-- JB


John Bod

looking for quality wheel

by John Bod » Thu, 08 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Compared to any wheel you can buy at Electronics Boutique, Best Buy,
etc., the TSW models with the bushings are the epitome of smooth --
and better yet, they're rock-solid, with no "slop" or looseness at all
in the wheel's shaft.  You can lean on a TSW product just like you'd
lean on a desk, with no fear of damaging the unit; I can't say that
for any other wheel I've tried, but I'm sure this also holds true for
the ECCI and SRS wheels, too.  

As for the ball-bearing upgrade, figure that it's going to be one
notch up the smoothness scale from the models that use nylon or brass
bushings: In other words, even better.

-- JB

John Bod

looking for quality wheel

by John Bod » Thu, 08 Jul 1999 04:00:00




>>  Thanks for all the feedback. The TSW Sports has all or most of the
>> features I'm looking for in my price range. When browsing TSW's page I
>> saw that a ball bearing shaft was an upgrade option. The stock version
>> is a bushing and seems more than enough for a low RPM application.
>> Anyone ever upgraded theirs or tried out both versions? If so did it
>> feel any more robust or smoother? One of my pet peeves with wheels is
>> wiggle or slop in the shaft so if this option totally eliminates it I
>> wouldn't mind spending the extra $50.

>I have the one with the bushing, and it is *utterly* smooth.

>I took the cover off to have a look, and basically it's a thick steel
>shaft going through a huge block (about 4" long) of what looks like
>PTFE, so it's not surprising that it's smooth!

>I can't imagine it ever wearing out, but I've only had the wheel for a
>few months so I don't know for sure.

I've had my TSW2 for almost 2 years, and it's in the same shape it was
when it arrived at my door -- these things don't wear out!  

FWIW, I also recently acquired a used 3-year-old TSW wheel, and it is
in perfect condition after I don't know how much use -- out of the
box, it was smoother and more solid than anything else I've ever tried
(except for other TSW products, that is).  ECCI and SRS wheels will
give you the same kind of quality and durability, I'm sure, but TSW
beats them both in terms of entry-level price.  

-- JB

John Walla

looking for quality wheel

by John Walla » Thu, 08 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Quality is most meaningful when considered individually alongside
value. A Patek Philippe watch is undoubtedly quality, but pretty
meaningless for the vast majority of potential watch buyers.

As a balance of quality and value the TSW is at least on a par with
anything else on the market, and far ahead of most of its competition.

Cheers!
John

Adam

looking for quality wheel

by Adam » Thu, 08 Jul 1999 04:00:00

The TSW is a better quality product then a T2 or any of the other cheap
plastic wheels that you can get at Best Buy.  But if you're going to spend
200-300+, it's not much more for a $400 SRC.....it's quite a bit more for a
$1000 ECCI, but it is by-far the best $1000 I've ever spent, and only for
those that want the best.



Neil Rain

looking for quality wheel

by Neil Rain » Thu, 08 Jul 1999 04:00:00


> I agree DT, I love how people try to defend their purchase of a TSW by
> saying it is anything BUT low/mid-quality.  When I first drove a TSW, I
> thought it was decent..........after I drove an ECCI, I laughed at the TSW.
> It looks like it was made in 7th-grade shop class.  For those that havn't
> driven one, look at the pix.
> Very ugly, very very ugly.
> It has garage-door springs for the wheel tension.
> It has an L-clamp and a wing-nut to clamp it down.
> The TSW is *definately* much more solid then the T2, which is probably the
> reason that people think it is so high-quality.  Here's the scale,
> T2=lo-quality, TSW=mid-quality, ECCI=very high quality
> It has garage-door springs for the wheel tension.
> Nuff said.

I actually like the "low tech" construction of the TSW - nice big solid
components that can be modified if you want to (eg. I spaced the pedals
further apart by using longer bolts with nuts as spacers).

That L-clamp is amazing - it looks so simple, but it clamps the thing to
the desk like a limpet - nothing will shake it free.

I agree that the case looks pretty ***compared to a moulded plastic
one - but for me this is a pretty minor consideration - "quality" for me
relates to the functionality of the wheel and pedals, and their
robustness - the TSW scores on all of them.

Of course, if you want to pay an extra $700 for a nicer case...  ;-)

DTrager1

looking for quality wheel

by DTrager1 » Fri, 09 Jul 1999 04:00:00

If you looking for the SLK at the Miata price, then the SRC IS the answer!
I could go on forever about the SRC, and for good reason...........I have used
all the wheels in question and the hands down winner to me is the SRC.

Dave Trager
1998 NROS Pro Finalist

Eldre

looking for quality wheel

by Eldre » Fri, 09 Jul 1999 04:00:00


I'm not buyin' a Mercedes, EITHER! <g>

Thanks.

>-- JB


>>So, the TSW *isn't* quality?!?  Dang, you guys are making it hard to decide
>>what to replace my T2 with.  I am NOT going to spend $1000+ on an ECCI.....

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Fri, 09 Jul 1999 04:00:00


writes:

Hehe - I'm still trying to talk myself into spending *$200-$300*...<g>
But, I'm starting to think that my T2 lack of precision is screwing up my lap
times.  It's kinda hard to put the car in the same place every time when the
steering wheel 'wanders'...

Eldred

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Adam

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by Adam » Fri, 09 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Yeah, I had a T2 before I got my ECCI and it was total crap.  I had to
replace the pots in them 3 times.  I tried out my friend's TSW2 before I got
the ECCI, and wasn't very impressed with it.  I got the ECCI and it is SO
much smoother and precise then the TSW2.  My friend has tried my ECCI and
wishes he would have spent the extra money to get one.  It's not that the
TSW is TERRIBLE.....it's just night and day between it and the ECCI.  Some
people think that all the extra money goes to is a shiny metallic case, but
the precision and smoothness is just scary.  No doubt, the best wheel
available.



Woodie

looking for quality wheel

by Woodie » Fri, 09 Jul 1999 04:00:00



>Yeah, I had a T2 before I got my ECCI and it was total crap.  I had to
>replace the pots in them 3 times.  I tried out my friend's TSW2 before I got
>the ECCI, and wasn't very impressed with it.  I got the ECCI and it is SO
>much smoother and precise then the TSW2.  My friend has tried my ECCI and
>wishes he would have spent the extra money to get one.  It's not that the
>TSW is TERRIBLE.....it's just night and day between it and the ECCI.  Some
>people think that all the extra money goes to is a shiny metallic case, but
>the precision and smoothness is just scary.  No doubt, the best wheel
>available.

Not to mention the adjustability.  Whatever you want the wheel to feel like,
you can get there, swapping springs, doubling or tripling them, centering force
on a***with a jam nut.  Pedal tension is also adjustable, and the
progressive brake pedal is the most incredible thing yet.  I've seen a lot of
posts making fun of the pedals, these are people who have never tried one, I'm
sure.  The pedals are the thing I like the most about this combo.

No question, it's an insane amount of money.

Don McCorkle
Libertarian Motorsports

John Bod

looking for quality wheel

by John Bod » Fri, 09 Jul 1999 04:00:00




>>Yeah, I had a T2 before I got my ECCI and it was total crap.  I had to
>>replace the pots in them 3 times.  I tried out my friend's TSW2 before I got
>>the ECCI, and wasn't very impressed with it.  I got the ECCI and it is SO
>>much smoother and precise then the TSW2.  My friend has tried my ECCI and
>>wishes he would have spent the extra money to get one.  It's not that the
>>TSW is TERRIBLE.....it's just night and day between it and the ECCI.  Some
>>people think that all the extra money goes to is a shiny metallic case, but
>>the precision and smoothness is just scary.  No doubt, the best wheel
>>available.

>Not to mention the adjustability.  Whatever you want the wheel to feel like,
>you can get there, swapping springs, doubling or tripling them, centering force
>on a***with a jam nut.  Pedal tension is also adjustable, and the
>progressive brake pedal is the most incredible thing yet.  I've seen a lot of
>posts making fun of the pedals, these are people who have never tried one, I'm
>sure.  The pedals are the thing I like the most about this combo.

I have never tried an ECCI setup, and I won't deny the inherent
quality of the product (they obviously make good stuff -- too many
people love their ECCI setups, so the price must be in line with the
qualilty).  

That said, even though I haven't tried the ECCI pedals, though, I know
they wouldn't work well for me -- I'm a right-footed driver, and no
matter what I do, I just can't adapt to braking with my left foot
(although I've tried it with various pedals).  When I've tried
left-foot braking with other pedals, it doesn't feel realistic for me
(I can't drive my 5-speed Honda on the road and use my left foot for
braking, and doing so in a sim feels REALLY wrong to me), and my lap
times suffer -- and I don't see how the ECCI would be different,
regardless of how good the pedals feel.  This is my personal opinion,
of course, but given this, it makes the $1000+ pricetag even harder to
justify (or even consider).

Just my $0.02.

-- JB

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Joel Willstei

looking for quality wheel

by Joel Willstei » Fri, 09 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>I have both a TSW and a TSW2; the TSW2 uses a nylon bearing for the
>steering shaft, and it has NO slop at all -- my TSW has the standard
>shaft, and it, too, is great (a bit more smooth than the TSW2, but
>both are WAY more smooth than anything else I've ever tried).  FWIW,
>I've never tried an ECCI, but the pedals just don't seem right to me.

>-- John Bodin

John,

    I just ordered a TSW2. But I'm curious,why do you have both a TSW and a
TSw2?

Joel Willstein


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