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looking for quality wheel

Tore Hanso

looking for quality wheel

by Tore Hanso » Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Was that $500 or $5000 you wanted to spend?

Tore



Adam

looking for quality wheel

by Adam » Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:00:00

An ECCI is the BEST wheel you can get.  If you want to settle on Mom &
Pop-type quality, with a cheaper price.....look into a TSW.


> Looking for suggestions for a new wheel from your personal
> experiences. I have had several wheels in the past and am currently
> using Thrustmaster NASCAR Pro but would like something more precise
> and that has a quality feel. I played with a FFB wheel but returned it
> because the emphasis seemed to be on jolts from crashing and wooden
> bridges, not on road feedback like under steer etc. Maybe drivers and
> software have matured since Christmas in this aspect of FFB? In any
> event I don't think I'm going to find the quality I'm looking for from
> the current filed off FFB wheels. BTW looking to spend around $500...

> Things I'm looking:

> Good spring/tension device that offers spring with no 'dead spot'.

> NO wiggle or slop in the wheel or the shaft, no clicks, pops, twangs
> etc.

> Easily serviceable by myself.

> Shifting paddles and/or wheel mounted button (although doing wheel
> mounted button myself wouldn't be a big deal).

> Good pedals with same quality standard as wheel.

> Overall solid feel and build, nice looking polished unit would be a
> good perk.

> Units I'm considering and/or eliminated

> ECCI- Very nice, friend has one of the originals. Base unit costs
> $1049 out of my price range :(

> TWS- Read lots about it here looks like it fits all my criteria above.

> SRC- Looks well built, love the pedal layout but haven't read much
> about it here on the NG (please post your opinion if you own one) BTW
> web site is http://www.mindspring.net/~srcwheel/ if your curious to
> take a look.

> ???- Any other wheels that are in this category please post along with
> a mini review or your impressions.

> Thanks!!

> Adam M


Michael Goldstei

looking for quality wheel

by Michael Goldstei » Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Hypersim Is what you mean? this link doesnt take me anywhere

>The best product is at www.hyperstimcanada.com.



>> Looking for suggestions for a new wheel from your personal
>> experiences. I have had several wheels in the past and am currently
>> using Thrustmaster NASCAR Pro but would like something more precise
>> and that has a quality feel. I played with a FFB wheel but returned it
>> because the emphasis seemed to be on jolts from crashing and wooden
>> bridges, not on road feedback like under steer etc. Maybe drivers and
>> software have matured since Christmas in this aspect of FFB? In any
>> event I don't think I'm going to find the quality I'm looking for from
>> the current filed off FFB wheels. BTW looking to spend around $500...

>> Things I'm looking:

>> Good spring/tension device that offers spring with no 'dead spot'.

>> NO wiggle or slop in the wheel or the shaft, no clicks, pops, twangs
>> etc.

>> Easily serviceable by myself.

>> Shifting paddles and/or wheel mounted button (although doing wheel
>> mounted button myself wouldn't be a big deal).

>> Good pedals with same quality standard as wheel.

>> Overall solid feel and build, nice looking polished unit would be a
>> good perk.

>> Units I'm considering and/or eliminated

>> ECCI- Very nice, friend has one of the originals. Base unit costs
>> $1049 out of my price range :(

>> TWS- Read lots about it here looks like it fits all my criteria above.

>> SRC- Looks well built, love the pedal layout but haven't read much
>> about it here on the NG (please post your opinion if you own one) BTW
>> web site is http://www.mindspring.net/~srcwheel/ if your curious to
>> take a look.

>> ???- Any other wheels that are in this category please post along with
>> a mini review or your impressions.

>> Thanks!!

>> Adam M


Scott B. Huste

looking for quality wheel

by Scott B. Huste » Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:00:00

TSW is hardly mom and pop type quality.  I would put its quality darn near
the ECCI at about 1/3 the price.

Plus the TSW doesn't come with tractor pedals <VBG>   Yes.. I have used both
and although I love the wheel on either unit,  I prefer the feel of the TSW
pedals over the ECCI pedal unit.

Again... its all about preferences and the amount of money you want to
spend.  If you do not need digital or force feedback controllers, IMHO the
TSWs are the best value on the market.  Particularly the TSW2 modified for
$350.00 which includes the clutch pedal assembly.

Scott
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Michael Goldstei

looking for quality wheel

by Michael Goldstei » Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:00:00

sorry your right this link dows work i just had to wait awhile for the page
to come up
sorry

robocat


>Hypersim Is what you mean? this link doesnt take me anywhere


>>The best product is at www.hyperstimcanada.com.



>>> Looking for suggestions for a new wheel from your personal
>>> experiences. I have had several wheels in the past and am currently
>>> using Thrustmaster NASCAR Pro but would like something more precise
>>> and that has a quality feel. I played with a FFB wheel but returned it
>>> because the emphasis seemed to be on jolts from crashing and wooden
>>> bridges, not on road feedback like under steer etc. Maybe drivers and
>>> software have matured since Christmas in this aspect of FFB? In any
>>> event I don't think I'm going to find the quality I'm looking for from
>>> the current filed off FFB wheels. BTW looking to spend around $500...

>>> Things I'm looking:

>>> Good spring/tension device that offers spring with no 'dead spot'.

>>> NO wiggle or slop in the wheel or the shaft, no clicks, pops, twangs
>>> etc.

>>> Easily serviceable by myself.

>>> Shifting paddles and/or wheel mounted button (although doing wheel
>>> mounted button myself wouldn't be a big deal).

>>> Good pedals with same quality standard as wheel.

>>> Overall solid feel and build, nice looking polished unit would be a
>>> good perk.

>>> Units I'm considering and/or eliminated

>>> ECCI- Very nice, friend has one of the originals. Base unit costs
>>> $1049 out of my price range :(

>>> TWS- Read lots about it here looks like it fits all my criteria above.

>>> SRC- Looks well built, love the pedal layout but haven't read much
>>> about it here on the NG (please post your opinion if you own one) BTW
>>> web site is http://www.mindspring.net/~srcwheel/ if your curious to
>>> take a look.

>>> ???- Any other wheels that are in this category please post along with
>>> a mini review or your impressions.

>>> Thanks!!

>>> Adam M


William Yowel

looking for quality wheel

by William Yowel » Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:00:00


> Looking for suggestions for a new wheel from your personal
> experiences. I have had several wheels in the past and am currently
> using Thrustmaster NASCAR Pro but would like something more precise
> and that has a quality feel. I played with a FFB wheel but returned it
> because the emphasis seemed to be on jolts from crashing and wooden
> bridges, not on road feedback like under steer etc. Maybe drivers and
> software have matured since Christmas in this aspect of FFB? In any
> event I don't think I'm going to find the quality I'm looking for from
> the current filed off FFB wheels. BTW looking to spend around $500...

> Things I'm looking:

> Good spring/tension device that offers spring with no 'dead spot'.

> NO wiggle or slop in the wheel or the shaft, no clicks, pops, twangs
> etc.

> Easily serviceable by myself.

> Shifting paddles and/or wheel mounted button (although doing wheel
> mounted button myself wouldn't be a big deal).

> Good pedals with same quality standard as wheel.

> Overall solid feel and build, nice looking polished unit would be a
> good perk.

> Units I'm considering and/or eliminated

> ECCI- Very nice, friend has one of the originals. Base unit costs
> $1049 out of my price range :(

> TWS- Read lots about it here looks like it fits all my criteria above.

> SRC- Looks well built, love the pedal layout but haven't read much
> about it here on the NG (please post your opinion if you own one) BTW
> web site is http://www.mindspring.net/~srcwheel/ if your curious to
> take a look.

> ???- Any other wheels that are in this category please post along with
> a mini review or your impressions.

> Thanks!!

> Adam M


I have had my TSW Formula for over a year; no problems, and I am very
happy with it.
Bill Yowell
Adam

looking for quality wheel

by Adam » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Looking for suggestions for a new wheel from your personal
experiences. I have had several wheels in the past and am currently
using Thrustmaster NASCAR Pro but would like something more precise
and that has a quality feel. I played with a FFB wheel but returned it
because the emphasis seemed to be on jolts from crashing and wooden
bridges, not on road feedback like under steer etc. Maybe drivers and
software have matured since Christmas in this aspect of FFB? In any
event I don't think I'm going to find the quality I'm looking for from
the current filed off FFB wheels. BTW looking to spend around $500...

Things I'm looking:

Good spring/tension device that offers spring with no 'dead spot'.

NO wiggle or slop in the wheel or the shaft, no clicks, pops, twangs
etc.

Easily serviceable by myself.

Shifting paddles and/or wheel mounted button (although doing wheel
mounted button myself wouldn't be a big deal).

Good pedals with same quality standard as wheel.

Overall solid feel and build, nice looking polished unit would be a
good perk.

Units I'm considering and/or eliminated

ECCI- Very nice, friend has one of the originals. Base unit costs
$1049 out of my price range :(

TWS- Read lots about it here looks like it fits all my criteria above.

SRC- Looks well built, love the pedal layout but haven't read much
about it here on the NG (please post your opinion if you own one) BTW
web site is http://www.mindspring.net/~srcwheel/ if your curious to
take a look.

???- Any other wheels that are in this category please post along with
a mini review or your impressions.

Thanks!!

Adam M

Rory S. Brow

looking for quality wheel

by Rory S. Brow » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

The best product is at www.hyperstimcanada.com.


> Looking for suggestions for a new wheel from your personal
> experiences. I have had several wheels in the past and am currently
> using Thrustmaster NASCAR Pro but would like something more precise
> and that has a quality feel. I played with a FFB wheel but returned it
> because the emphasis seemed to be on jolts from crashing and wooden
> bridges, not on road feedback like under steer etc. Maybe drivers and
> software have matured since Christmas in this aspect of FFB? In any
> event I don't think I'm going to find the quality I'm looking for from
> the current filed off FFB wheels. BTW looking to spend around $500...

> Things I'm looking:

> Good spring/tension device that offers spring with no 'dead spot'.

> NO wiggle or slop in the wheel or the shaft, no clicks, pops, twangs
> etc.

> Easily serviceable by myself.

> Shifting paddles and/or wheel mounted button (although doing wheel
> mounted button myself wouldn't be a big deal).

> Good pedals with same quality standard as wheel.

> Overall solid feel and build, nice looking polished unit would be a
> good perk.

> Units I'm considering and/or eliminated

> ECCI- Very nice, friend has one of the originals. Base unit costs
> $1049 out of my price range :(

> TWS- Read lots about it here looks like it fits all my criteria above.

> SRC- Looks well built, love the pedal layout but haven't read much
> about it here on the NG (please post your opinion if you own one) BTW
> web site is http://www.mindspring.net/~srcwheel/ if your curious to
> take a look.

> ???- Any other wheels that are in this category please post along with
> a mini review or your impressions.

> Thanks!!

> Adam M


Rory S. Brow

looking for quality wheel

by Rory S. Brow » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

The 1000 model is $1,500 Canadian or $1,000 US including shipping.
Considering, what you are getting, it is a great deal.  Just ask anyone who
has one if it is worth it?

Rory

> Was that $500 or $5000 you wanted to spend?

> Tore



> > The best product is at www.hyperstimcanada.com.

Adam

looking for quality wheel

by Adam » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

 Thanks for all the feedback. The TSW Sports has all or most of the
features I'm looking for in my price range. When browsing TSW's page I
saw that a ball bearing shaft was an upgrade option. The stock version
is a bushing and seems more than enough for a low RPM application.
Anyone ever upgraded theirs or tried out both versions? If so did it
feel any more robust or smoother? One of my pet peeves with wheels is
wiggle or slop in the shaft so if this option totally eliminates it I
wouldn't mind spending the extra $50.

TIA
Adam

John Bod

looking for quality wheel

by John Bod » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I have both a TSW and a TSW2; the TSW2 uses a nylon bearing for the
steering shaft, and it has NO slop at all -- my TSW has the standard
shaft, and it, too, is great (a bit more smooth than the TSW2, but
both are WAY more smooth than anything else I've ever tried).  FWIW,
I've never tried an ECCI, but the pedals just don't seem right to me.

-- John Bodin


> Thanks for all the feedback. The TSW Sports has all or most of the
>features I'm looking for in my price range. When browsing TSW's page I
>saw that a ball bearing shaft was an upgrade option. The stock version
>is a bushing and seems more than enough for a low RPM application.
>Anyone ever upgraded theirs or tried out both versions? If so did it
>feel any more robust or smoother? One of my pet peeves with wheels is
>wiggle or slop in the shaft so if this option totally eliminates it I
>wouldn't mind spending the extra $50.

>TIA
>Adam

Eldre

looking for quality wheel

by Eldre » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>I have both a TSW and a TSW2; the TSW2 uses a nylon bearing for the
>steering shaft, and it has NO slop at all -- my TSW has the standard
>shaft, and it, too, is great (a bit more smooth than the TSW2, but
>both are WAY more smooth than anything else I've ever tried).  FWIW,
>I've never tried an ECCI, but the pedals just don't seem right to me.

>-- John Bodin


>> Thanks for all the feedback. The TSW Sports has all or most of the
>>features I'm looking for in my price range. When browsing TSW's page I
>>saw that a ball bearing shaft was an upgrade option. The stock version
>>is a bushing and seems more than enough for a low RPM application.
>>Anyone ever upgraded theirs or tried out both versions? If so did it
>>feel any more robust or smoother? One of my pet peeves with wheels is
>>wiggle or slop in the shaft so if this option totally eliminates it I
>>wouldn't mind spending the extra $50.

So, what's the benefit of the ball bearing upgrade?  I've never seen a TSW in
person, so I don't know the level of quality.
Anyone in the Detroit area have one I could check out? <g>

Eldred

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Neil Rain

looking for quality wheel

by Neil Rain » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>  Thanks for all the feedback. The TSW Sports has all or most of the
> features I'm looking for in my price range. When browsing TSW's page I
> saw that a ball bearing shaft was an upgrade option. The stock version
> is a bushing and seems more than enough for a low RPM application.
> Anyone ever upgraded theirs or tried out both versions? If so did it
> feel any more robust or smoother? One of my pet peeves with wheels is
> wiggle or slop in the shaft so if this option totally eliminates it I
> wouldn't mind spending the extra $50.

I have the one with the bushing, and it is *utterly* smooth.

I took the cover off to have a look, and basically it's a thick steel
shaft going through a huge block (about 4" long) of what looks like
PTFE, so it's not surprising that it's smooth!

I can't imagine it ever wearing out, but I've only had the wheel for a
few months so I don't know for sure.

DTrager1

looking for quality wheel

by DTrager1 » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I've had my SRC for 8 months now, and it's great!..........I've used ECCI and
TSW wheels. The ECCI is very good quality, (pedals leave something to be
disired) and over priced. The TSW  works good, but is very poor
quality...........
If your looking for EXCELANT quality and realistic pedals at an affordable
price, (with a 30 day trial)  The SRC is the way to go.

Dave Trager - DTrager
1998 NROS Pro Div. Finalist

PS   If you have any questions about the SRC, just let me know.

Adam

looking for quality wheel

by Adam » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I agree DT, I love how people try to defend their purchase of a TSW by
saying it is anything BUT low/mid-quality.  When I first drove a TSW, I
thought it was decent..........after I drove an ECCI, I laughed at the TSW.
It looks like it was made in 7th-grade shop class.  For those that havn't
driven one, look at the pix.
Very ugly, very very ugly.
It has garage-door springs for the wheel tension.
It has an L-clamp and a wing-nut to clamp it down.
The TSW is *definately* much more solid then the T2, which is probably the
reason that people think it is so high-quality.  Here's the scale,
T2=lo-quality, TSW=mid-quality, ECCI=very high quality
It has garage-door springs for the wheel tension.
Nuff said.



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