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by **jer..** » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Off topic? May I point out, Mr. Bodin, that my message was in reply to a
previously posted communication in this group. No one objected to
the original being here because the CART/IRL fracas DIRECTLY affects the
development of every sim planned in the genre. I would also ask you to
scan the group for subjet matter; you'll find about 10% meet your
definition of inappropriate material. That's 750 additional sinners who
need salvation.
As for my observation about fan fatalities, there was nothing irreverent
about it. "Insensitivity" has quickly become one of those buzz words
that has been so abused that it has lost all meaning. What I consider
inexcusable is exposing unprotected observers to bits flying off 230 mph
missles driven by incompetent amateurs. Before you criticse me for that
last remark, believe me when I say that there are a great many talented
IRL drivers who could hold their own in any type of racing, bar none.
Trouble is, there just aren't enough of them. A few notable people share
my opinion, including Robby Gordon and Arie Luyendyke. As for the much
touted restoration of the League's All American aspect, I'm glad to see
a home grown Yankee by the name of Kenny Breck get his likeness soldered
to the Borg Warner trophy. Isn't Sweden somewhere in Nebraska?
I live within a forty minute drive of the Speedway, and have the honor
of knowing many of the stewards, officals and even a few drivers.
George's reign of terror has impacted every one of them. Nobody likes
what he's doing (except A.J.Foyt), but organized resistance can hardly
be expected when one considers the tactics T.G. uses. If you doubt me,
just ask Carl Hughness.
In closing, let me state that I do not bear you, or any other IRL fan
hard feelings. You have right to support whom you please. I also
apologize for calling T.G. names. That's not acceptable behavior in a
civil society, and I'll make this my last missive concerning auto
racing's tragic civil war.
Now, to keep things narrowly "on topic," let me finish by saying I've
just seen some screen shots of World Circuit 3, and they're fantastic!
Given Geoff Crammond's past record, you'll probably need a 400 mhz
Pentium 2 with 64 megs of ram to run the thing at a decent frame rate,
but it'll be worth it.

by **John Bod** » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

>Off topic? May I point out, Mr. Bodin, that my message was in reply to a
>previously posted communication in this group. No one objected to
>the original being here because the CART/IRL fracas DIRECTLY affects the
>development of every sim planned in the genre. I would also ask you to
>scan the group for subjet matter; you'll find about 10% meet your
>definition of inappropriate material. That's 750 additional sinners who
>need salvation.
>As for my observation about fan fatalities, there was nothing irreverent
>about it. "Insensitivity" has quickly become one of those buzz words
>that has been so abused that it has lost all meaning. What I consider
>inexcusable is exposing unprotected observers to bits flying off 230 mph
>missles driven by incompetent amateurs. Before you criticse me for that
>last remark, believe me when I say that there are a great many talented
>IRL drivers who could hold their own in any type of racing, bar none.
>Trouble is, there just aren't enough of them. A few notable people share
>my opinion, including Robby Gordon and Arie Luyendyke. As for the much
>touted restoration of the League's All American aspect, I'm glad to see
>a home grown Yankee by the name of Kenny Breck get his likeness soldered
>to the Borg Warner trophy. Isn't Sweden somewhere in Nebraska?
>I live within a forty minute drive of the Speedway, and have the honor
>of knowing many of the stewards, officals and even a few drivers.
>George's reign of terror has impacted every one of them. Nobody likes
>what he's doing (except A.J.Foyt), but organized resistance can hardly
>be expected when one considers the tactics T.G. uses. If you doubt me,
>just ask Carl Hughness.
>In closing, let me state that I do not bear you, or any other IRL fan
>hard feelings. You have right to support whom you please. I also
>apologize for calling T.G. names. That's not acceptable behavior in a
>civil society, and I'll make this my last missive concerning auto
>racing's tragic civil war.
>Now, to keep things narrowly "on topic," let me finish by saying I've
>just seen some screen shots of World Circuit 3, and they're fantastic!
>Given Geoff Crammond's past record, you'll probably need a 400 mhz
>Pentium 2 with 64 megs of ram to run the thing at a decent frame rate,
>but it'll be worth it.

Well, I don't advocate being "narrow," but I've been very guilty
myself of making IRL/CART posts here that are really more suitable for
the RASI newsgroup, and I hate to see this forum become just another
battleground. Here, we're all sim racing fans who presumably share a
love of motorsports in whatever various form we prefer -- elsewhere we
can argue our views about particular series, but this forum is about
sims, which are really games, which should be fun.

Now, as for the "on-topic" portion of your post (thanks for getting us
back on-track again, BTW!), GP3 sounds great. I've been afraid it
will be too hardware-intensive, like GP2 was (who really wants to have
to buy a PIII-550 just for a new game?), but if the basic requirement
is a 400 MHz PII, then more people should find it accessible, which is
great!

-- JB

by **Bria** » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

That would be an improvement - with my P2 450, I still can't turn on all
graphics and stay at <= 100% occupancy with GP2.
BTW, can you share the location you saw the screenshots? Please, please,
please, ...

Brian

> Now, to keep things narrowly "on topic," let me finish by saying I've
> just seen some screen shots of World Circuit 3, and they're fantastic!
> Given Geoff Crammond's past record, you'll probably need a 400 mhz
> Pentium 2 with 64 megs of ram to run the thing at a decent frame rate,
> but it'll be worth it.

by **Ken Bear** » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Let's hope Geoff takes good advantage of 3D acceleration for this one....

--
Ken's Sig 3.0

"Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" - Obi-Wan
Kenobi

Go #43 and #44!

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>That would be an improvement - with my P2 450, I still can't turn on all
>graphics and stay at <= 100% occupancy with GP2.
>BTW, can you share the location you saw the screenshots? Please, please,
>please, ...

>Brian

>> Now, to keep things narrowly "on topic," let me finish by saying I've
>> just seen some screen shots of World Circuit 3, and they're fantastic!
>> Given Geoff Crammond's past record, you'll probably need a 400 mhz
>> Pentium 2 with 64 megs of ram to run the thing at a decent frame rate,
>> but it'll be worth it.

by **John Bod** » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

On Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:26:40 -0400, "Ken Beard"

>Let's hope Geoff takes good advantage of 3D acceleration for this one....

That's going to be the key to making GP3 work on today's systems. GP2
looked so good in the pre-3D hardware era, I can't wait to see what
they come up with given today's technology!

-- JB

>Ken's Sig 3.0

>"Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" - Obi-Wan
>Kenobi

>Go #43 and #44!

>volksy (at) geocities (dot) com
>volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com

>>That would be an improvement - with my P2 450, I still can't turn on all
>>graphics and stay at <= 100% occupancy with GP2.
>>BTW, can you share the location you saw the screenshots? Please, please,
>>please, ...

>>Brian

>>> Now, to keep things narrowly "on topic," let me finish by saying I've
>>> just seen some screen shots of World Circuit 3, and they're fantastic!
>>> Given Geoff Crammond's past record, you'll probably need a 400 mhz
>>> Pentium 2 with 64 megs of ram to run the thing at a decent frame rate,
>>> but it'll be worth it.

by **jer..** » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Brian:
Micropose DK (their German site) posted two pictures purporting to be
from GP3. When I went back to check the URL, I found that they were no
longer there. I don't know whether this should be taken as a good sign
or not. GP2 was delayed almost ten months because of technical problems.
I hope history isn't repeating itself.
The good news is that the game will support the VooDoo2 chipset for full
3D effects. It will also include a paint progarm. The calendar\cars will
be based on the 97 season, and will include a pace car. Force feedback
will also be supported. Minimum requirements were given as a 200 mhz
pentium, Win9+ DirectX with no mention of memory needs, but you can bet
it should go at least 32. If everything goes according to plan, the game
should hit the store shelves sometime in October, but I wouldn't hold my
breath. Crammond is a perfectionist who loathes patches. Good for him.

by **John Slad** » Mon, 07 Jun 1999 04:00:00

The same happened with the press release. It was there at one point and
then the next day the link had been removed from the news page. However the
page does still exist on their server.

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by **Torgeir Fos** » Mon, 07 Jun 1999 04:00:00

> ...
> The good news is that the game will support the VooDoo2 chipset for full
> 3D effects.

How can this be good news? Voodoo 2 is hardly cutting edge anymore. Will it
be a glide only game ?!!??!?

TF

by **ddjhenri** » Mon, 07 Jun 1999 04:00:00

>Let's hope Geoff takes good advantage of 3D acceleration for this one....

>--
>Ken's Sig 3.0

I'm a bit leery. Isn't GP2 coded in Assembly(a machine level language)
I don't think the current batch of 3d accelerators work with assembly code.
I seem to remember the F22 II flight sim that was also an assembly
product and they claimed they couldn't use the 3d accel because of that.
anyone with a real clue??
(unlike me :> )

by **Eldre** » Sun, 13 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Well, I bought an AMD K6-2 350 just for GPL, but I hope to be buying a hous
this year, so the PIII-550 will have to wait... :-)
Eldred

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by **Radno** » Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Hi Torgeir.
Ikke mange her fra Norge. :D

Regarding the Glide only option.
GP3 is most likly to be based on Directx technology.
I guess the minimum requirements on 3D cards will be a Voodoo2.

There is still no information if they are going to suport GLIDE.
It would be most doubtfull. It would be alot of extra time to optimize the game
for one spesific 3D accl.

Regards

Radnor

> > ...

> > The good news is that the game will support the VooDoo2 chipset for full
> > 3D effects.

> How can this be good news? Voodoo 2 is hardly cutting edge anymore. Will it
> be a glide only game ?!!??!?

> TF

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