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The AI criticisms are not overblown in CPR at all. It has very poor AI, and that
is not even a debatable issue. The reasons I don't have the time or desire for
multiplayer are my own and are irrelevant. I purchased CPR expecting it to be a
good single player sim and instead find it to be a weak single player GAME. It
doesn't hold a candle in single player mode to GP2, ICR2, Nascar 2, or F1RS,
which are all sims. The AI and realism in those games runs circles around F1RS
in single player.
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I can think of a few people who would debate CPR has "very poor" AI. It's
not great but also not very poor. I've said earlier that I do like F1 a lot,
so this is not a CPR vs F1 (silly) debate. I don't know about how you
compare to the AI in F1, but it's not that hard to beat. Most AI in the sims
I've tried aren't very hard to defeat with just a normal amount of practice.
I don't claim to be the best driver around either. I can name a number of
drivers who can beat me probably 9 out of 10 times. I'm sure they can easily
beat the AI in the sims you mention. Racing sims have a few more years to go
before anyone can claim great AI. It's just not possible, yet. That's why
the multi-player option is so important for serious sim drivers.
 Car physics, track detail, graphics, sound, setups, and the overall feel of
the game are more important to me than AI. I want to feel like I'm driving a
CART car, and CPR does an excellent job of this. The main problem I have
with F1 is the sense of speed is just not there. It feels like I'm going
slow which makes it seem too easy. CPR definitely has a better sense of
speed. F1 feels like I'm playing POD with Formula 1 cars. I've never driven
an F1 or Champ car, but I'd guess that I would  feel a little scared of the
speed that comes with these cars, and in F1, that fear is missing.

Dave

Um, yes you did:

"I'm positive now that the overblown (not constructive) CPR
criticism I read here on r.a.s. is due to some people having a weird
MS hatred."

Frankly, this is an attitude beneath your normally level-headed posts.
People don't like CPR because it's generally a pretty lousy game. It's
as simple as that.

And there as just as many - if not more - people who reflexively
defend MS and anything with their name on it. Most people, though,
just say what they do or do not like about a particular computer
program, regardless of the publisher. Certainly 99% of the CPR
criticism on this forum has been perfectly reasonable.

Joe

Some do report that version 1.07 is not slower than previous versions, but that
seems to be a minority opinion. And yes, I can run the CD version all day with
no fatal problems on my system.

Keith.

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<<You're flat out lying if you say you aren't aware of the existence of
(insecure) people who have a dislike of MS and Bill Gates simply because
they are overwhelmingly successful.>>

So true! I've ALWAYS wanted to be a nerdy little dweeb with a Napoleon
complex. Michael Millken was overwhelmingly successful, too...

Bart Brown

<< Many of us, myself included, have had no problems with CPR
either....The AI criticism is way overblown...the races are far more
exciting to participate in than any computer AI could give you. The
satisfaction you get from beating a top driver is worth 20 wins against
AI opponents. Sims are supposed to recreate reality. There's nothing
more real than racing human opponents.>>

Well, there you have it: there are no problems with CPR, if there WERE
problems with CPR, well, the AI criticism is "way overblown", and if the
AI isn't exactly realistic, then you're missing the whole point -- the
sim was MEANT to be played online, not as a standalone against the
computer's AI...

Funny, I don't recall that "feature" being part of MS advertising blitz
or box blurb...

I'm so embarrassed...

Bart Brown

Thanks!!

I don't have problems with CPR. Sorry. At least no more than I have had, and
heard of, regarding F1. You should be embarrassed. Nice editing. Completely
talked your way around the subject of my post. Try actually reading the
posts carefully before you respond like an emotional ***ager. There's
another one I wrote in this thread. Maybe you will get a better
understanding of my views on AI.

Dave

Well, you just labeled yourself one of those described below, for the 500th
time.

Dave

Bart Brown

I have the same system specs and mine runs smooth with everything maxed out.

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Good for you! You are one of the lucky few.
I'm afraid to say that my car doesn't slow completely with one wheel on the
grass, it realistically loses control and slows a little.
Happy racing!

in N2, it's also weird. If you put your inside front onto the grass in a
turn (road course), you spin towards the grass, when you actually loose
traction at the front, thus inducing understeer. However, this is a bit
delicate, if you were "sliding" (4-wheel drifting) at full power, not
putting in much lock, this would be correct behaviour:))

Anyway, my point is, I think it is a bit irritating when such items are
programmed to stop us from cutting bends a bit. In real life, some turns
are a bit too narrow/sharp etc (At least for me racing through), and
putting two wheels onto the kerbs/grass is quite common. Why would they
put kerbs there if the grass slowed the cars down?
TOCA is the best so far:)) Jump kerbs and cut corners, it's wild!

Looking forward to see "off-track" behaviour in GPL!:)

Matt

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