rec.autos.simulators

by * Leon » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Hi

I am using MS sidewinder joystick
not feedback

so far so good, I have learnt to adjust according
but thought of getting a wheel
Does the wheel give 2 1/2 turns from lock to lock ?

by * Leon » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Hi rrevved

=============================================

Wait, I thought when the BACK is coming adrift you should
not power it any more, so that the back wheel could get
it grip again.

Transfering weight to the front is what I need to get more
grip to the front , right ?

| >
| >I note that the front wheels DO NOT TURN much at speed
| >but when it is slowed down or stop, it turns all the
way.
| >
|
| You can set the sensitivity and speed correction for
| your wheel, in the GPL control section.
|
=============================================

are you referring to linear and non linear ?
but that not speed correction.

| >
| >Is this some kind of bug or part of the simulation ????
| >
|
| I haven't seen a bug, of any kind....
|
| --
| // rrevved posts from mindspring dot com
| ========================================

Interestingly there is NO PATCH for GPL.
There is a way to make games without all the bugs !!

by **McKafr** » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

i thoght 20:1 was for tight turns circuits ... and 12.1 for ovals :)

who is wrong? edwin or me?

McKafre De La Rosa

>Randy,
>Is there a way to fix this or turn it off in the upcoming patch?
>I'm having big problems getting the lock I "want" in tight turns... (Mexico
>especially).
>or when trying to correct a spin.

>Even with the steering set to 12:1.

>Please? :-)
>--
>All the best,
>Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply*
>The Paddock - a legendary site....
><http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock>

>> If you want to look at it that way, yes, it does.

>> Randy

>> > So the game incorporates speed sensitive steering even if you don't
>> want it?

by **Toni Lassi** » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

The problem is that if you spin coming into a corner you have done
some braking and the weight will be in the front. Thus lifting the
throttle off will cause the car to act nervously and actually make it
more difficult to prevent the spin.

Yes, but the front isn't usually the one that escapes. Quick opposite
lock when the rear starts to go and if that doesn't work, steer into
the spin and give it moderate gas (about 70%).

There will be, and it will address all kinds of quirks and improve the
game considerably.

by **Michael Barlo** » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

270*? My Thrustmaster T2 only has a little over 180* lock to lock.
Unless I'm missing something in the post. Or there is more to offer in
the T2 by taking the stops out. (?)

Mike Barlow

> On 9 Apr 99 02:36:47 GMT,

> >Hi

> >I am using MS sidewinder joystick
> >not feedback

> >so far so good, I have learnt to adjust according
> >but thought of getting a wheel
> >Does the wheel give 2 1/2 turns from lock to lock ?

> No, and neither does any real race car allow that much movement.

> Typically, in a PC wheel, you can expect 270 degrees, or so.

> >| Are you using a steering wheel or the keyboard?
> >|

> >| |Hi
> >| |
> >| |I just got the GPL, and has just moved over from GP2
> >| |
> >| |While trying out on the lotus, I found the tail sliding
> >out
> >| |and try to catch it by COUNTER STEERING and lift off
> >| |at the same time.
> >| |
> >| |
> >| |I note that the front wheels DO NOT TURN much at speed
> >| |but when it is slowed down or stop, it turns all the
> >way.
> >| |
> >| |
> >| |Is this some kind of bug or part of the simulation ????
> >| |
> >| |
> >| |
> >| |
> >| |regards
> >| |Leong
> >| |
> >| |
> >| |
> >| |
> >| |
> >| |--
> >| |regards
> >| |Leong email :

> >| |===========================================
> >| |Singapore
> >| |
> >|
> >|
> >|

> --
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by **=Gunslinge** » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

On Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:44:19 -0400, Michael Barlow

> 270*? My Thrustmaster T2 only has a little over 180* lock to lock.
>Unless I'm missing something in the post. Or there is more to offer in
>the T2 by taking the stops out. (?)

Yeah, and you have to strain just to get the 180

--
-Gunslinger-

by **Pat Dotso** » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

> Steering ratio from a stop up to some slow-ish speed is not adjustable.

What is that speed? Does it change from track to track
or with other factors?

--
Pat Dotson
IMPACT Motorsports
http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

by **Steve Blankensh** » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

You've got it backwards. A 12:1 ratio means that 12 degrees of turn
at the steering wheel equals 1 degree at the tires. This gives faster
steering response than a 20:1 ratio, and since lock is limited, a
tighter turning circle in hairpins. But either will be plenty if you
don't run your linearity slider too far to the right. I run mine at
or nearly at full-left and can use 20:1 at Monaco without trouble.
That's the course where I use the slowest ratio, as precision is vital
there.

Cheers,

Steve B.

On Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:24:32 +0200, "McKafre"

>i thoght 20:1 was for tight turns circuits ... and 12.1 for ovals :)

>who is wrong? edwin or me?

Remove "edy" from address for email

by **Randy Cassid** » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

> > Steering ratio from a stop up to some slow-ish speed is not
adjustable.

> What is that speed? Does it change from track to track
> or with other factors?

I don't recall exactly, but I think the effect is completely gone at
around 60MPH, and is more pronounced at very low speeds (below around
15MPH). The effect does not change based on the track, and no other
factors alter it.

Randy

by **Steve Blankensh** » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Yes, you can get more by modifying the stops, and it'll give you much
better precision for GPL. I first did it to my GP1 per Alison Hine's
recommendation and later to my Wingman Formula. Highly recommended!

Steve B.

On Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:44:19 -0400, Michael Barlow

> 270*? My Thrustmaster T2 only has a little over 180* lock to lock.
>Unless I'm missing something in the post. Or there is more to offer in
>the T2 by taking the stops out. (?)

Remove "edy" from address for email

by **Pierre Robitaill** » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

The stops are still in my T2, and I get about 240degs. You should get
the same, that *little over* 180 is about 30 degs on each side.

> 270*? My Thrustmaster T2 only has a little over 180* lock to lock.
> Unless I'm missing something in the post. Or there is more to offer in
> the T2 by taking the stops out. (?)

> Mike Barlow

> > On 9 Apr 99 02:36:47 GMT,

> > >Hi

> > >I am using MS sidewinder joystick
> > >not feedback

> > >so far so good, I have learnt to adjust according
> > >but thought of getting a wheel
> > >Does the wheel give 2 1/2 turns from lock to lock ?

> > No, and neither does any real race car allow that much movement.

> > Typically, in a PC wheel, you can expect 270 degrees, or so.

> > >| Are you using a steering wheel or the keyboard?
> > >|

> > >| |Hi
> > >| |
> > >| |I just got the GPL, and has just moved over from GP2
> > >| |
> > >| |While trying out on the lotus, I found the tail sliding
> > >out
> > >| |and try to catch it by COUNTER STEERING and lift off
> > >| |at the same time.
> > >| |
> > >| |
> > >| |I note that the front wheels DO NOT TURN much at speed
> > >| |but when it is slowed down or stop, it turns all the
> > >way.
> > >| |
> > >| |
> > >| |Is this some kind of bug or part of the simulation ????
> > >| |
> > >| |
> > >| |
> > >| |
> > >| |regards
> > >| |Leong
> > >| |
> > >| |
> > >| |
> > >| |
> > >| |
> > >| |--
> > >| |regards
> > >| |Leong email :

> > >| |===========================================
> > >| |Singapore
> > >| |
> > >|
> > >|
> > >|

> > --
> > // rrevved posts from mindspring dot com

> --
> =========================================
> Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing?
> MikeBa on the TEN network.
> Member of R.O.R. 1999
> http://w3.ime.net/~marknjess/noflame.html
> =========================================
> Racing online with the help of......

> Race Communications Association
> http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html

> Holodyne Engineering

> Mystic Music

by **Pat Dotso** » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

> > > Steering ratio from a stop up to some slow-ish speed is not
> adjustable.

> > What is that speed? Does it change from track to track
> > or with other factors?

> I don't recall exactly, but I think the effect is completely gone at
> around 60MPH, and is more pronounced at very low speeds (below around
> 15MPH). The effect does not change based on the track, and no other
> factors alter it.

I think 60 mph is too fast for the cutout of the effect.
Sometimes if I slide in a slow turn, I can see that the
wheels aren't turning all the way to the locks, even
though I have the wheel turned all the way. That makes
it hard to catch the spin. Seems like the effect should
be completely eliminated by the time you hit about 15 mph.

BTW, at which is the wheel steering lock level more
realistic for a GPL style car - slow or high speed?
If slow-speed lock is more realistic, why not just
leave it at that?

--
Pat Dotson
IMPACT Motorsports
http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

by **schwab** » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Mckafre... you are wrong, sorry to say :-(

Think about this: a racing go-kart has direct steering, which is 1:1...
with that in mind, it's easy to figure out the rest.

--Dave

> i thoght 20:1 was for tight turns circuits ... and 12.1 for ovals :)

> who is wrong? edwin or me?

> McKafre De La Rosa

> >Randy,
> >Is there a way to fix this or turn it off in the upcoming patch?
> >I'm having big problems getting the lock I "want" in tight turns... (Mexico
> >especially).
> >or when trying to correct a spin.

> >Even with the steering set to 12:1.

> >Please? :-)
> >--
> >All the best,
> >Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply*
> >The Paddock - a legendary site....
> ><http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock>

> >> If you want to look at it that way, yes, it does.

> >> Randy

> >> > So the game incorporates speed sensitive steering even if you don't
> >> want it?

--
Dave Schwabe
The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

by **Trip** » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

> Mckafre... you are wrong, sorry to say :-(

> Think about this: a racing go-kart has direct steering, which is 1:1...
> with that in mind, it's easy to figure out the rest.

Schwabe, you are mistaken here.

A racing go-kart does NOT have 1:1 steering ratio. If it did, a 90 degree turn of
the steering wheel would result in the front wheels turning 90 degrees. The karts
I've driven had steering ratios in the 3:1 to 5:1 range, and most could be
adjusted by moving the rod ends closer to or further from the pivots.

Trips

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