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by **Jason Mond** » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 05:48:46

No one is mentioning the 3Dsound that doesn't work (loud strang
noises). I won't buy another DTR/DTRSC/LF clone until it's up to date.
I played DTR for days. DTRSC for about 30mins and LeadFoot for about
10mins. Umm. I see a pattern :(

Use the "-3dsound" command line option when running any of their games
to try it out.

Jason.

> > Not that rare I have known quite a few set ups that would only run in
> > software mode, including mine. I will say that I did get it to run in d3d
> > after returning my clock settings back to standard instead of the
> > overclocked state I was use to running in Win98SE. So far nobody has been
> > able to give me a good reason why all the Ratbag titles would run in D3D
> > with an overclocked CPU in win98se but not in ME. Only Ratbag games were
> > effected this way Papy, ISI, etc all ran fine overclocked in ME. BTW
> that
> > post from Saxon was in reply to me when I was trying to get them running.

> > MadDAWG

> I don't overclock anything in my system. I also have triple the cooling
> capacity in the case as of today. leadfoot jammed solid on the startline in
> D3D, I'd at least get a couple of laps in DTRSC before freezing ;o)

> Ratbag games worked ok in D3D with my elsa erazor III TNT2m64 card, but
> freeze up with my Hercules Prophet 2 MX (with added cooling fan). I'm not
> going back to the TNT2 and missing out on frames/sec in N4 and GPL though,
> so I race software mode DTRSC and don't buy ratbag games. simple really :D

> cheers
> John

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by **Lannie Schafrot** » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 06:02:58

Well that will certainly help me figure out the problem with your setup. :)

> > You've definitely setup something wrong then. We have tested all three
> with
> > new and some of the latest hardware and it flies on them. Software mode
> is
> > quite rare.

> the only thing wrong with my setup is ratbag games.
> everything else is fine thanks.

> cheers
> John

by **chainbreake** » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:13:39

Me, too. Leadfoot was my second Ratbag game--my first AND last.

Oops, I don't guess that's enough to make a pattern.

Jerry Morelock

by JM » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:21:30

Well you didn't look like you were offering to help, just telling me you'd
tested some systems so I must have set mine up wrong.

Hercules ProphetII MX (not tv out)
Soundblaster Live 1024

Case with two inward case fans, one outward case fan, standard heatsink n
fan on CPU, another spare CPU fan fastened to the Geforce card heatsink.

neither the CPU nor the geforce card are "overclocked".

software:
WinME
DX8
Hercules detonator driver 12.40 (also original 5.32 off CD and 6.50, 7.58,
10.80 generic nvidia) - all driver changes done with a full clean install-
all driver related files deleted between new driver installs.
Liveware 3.0 for the soundcard.

graphics card options at defaults, except FSAA is disabled (default 2x)

I would have to rummage for BIOS settings, but I have experimented with AGP
aperture sizes of 16, 32, 64 and 128 (following setup advice for N4) none
with success for ratbag games.

just tried leadfoot today with the extra cooling and proper hercules
drivers. froze on the start line.

My Elsa Erazor III TNT2m64 card, using the same drivers as the geforce (when
using the generic nvidia drivers) works fine with D3D in the ratbag games,
but I'm tired of wearing the pins out.

I'm not really prepared to mess with anything on the system, as other games
run fine and I don't like the idea of them messing up for the sake of some
DTRSC eye candy. Even though I can't see my shiny BriSCA chassis paint in
all its glory.

cheers
John

by **Ryan Mitchle** » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 23:24:11

I wish I knew. Between Ratbag and WizardWorks, the game is not going to be
marketed in South Africa. *Moreover*, export to South Africa (by anyone) is
not allowed. Ratbag failed to respond to the email I sent them. It's like
the bad old days of sanctions again (not that I was old enough to care back
then).

Anyway, if any honest person is willing to send me a copy (I'm not sure what
the easiest method of payment is) or if anyone knows of a working warez site
carrying the game, please email me. Ratbag's attitude is leaving my
conscience wearing rather thin . . .

Ryan

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by **Eldre** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 10:30:48

>According to a post from Saxon on a dtr based news server, the DEII based
>games are directX3 wrapped in DX5 and if you can get D3D to work on anything
>newer than a TNT consider yourself one of the lucky ones. In so many words,
>anyway.
>That they still haven't bothered to test the compatibility with more modern
>cards, is inexcuseable. I have two ratbag games, I'm not going to buy a
>third.

Hmm...
I have Powerslide, DTR, DTRsc. All this talk prompted me to test them out
again(I hadn't run them in a while). They all work fine for me.
Athlon 1.3
V5

Win98se
Maybe it's operating system dependent? What OS are the people who have
problems running?

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by JM » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 10:43:40

> Hmm...
> I have Powerslide, DTR, DTRsc. All this talk prompted me to test them out
> again(I hadn't run them in a while). They all work fine for me.
> Athlon 1.3
> V5

> Win98se
> Maybe it's operating system dependent? What OS are the people who have
> problems running?

> Eldred
> --

Do you run GLIDE or D3D with your V5?
My TNT2 works fine, doesn't surprise me if a V5 does also, in D3D if that is
the case.
If you run in GLIDE, then there's no basis for comparison.

cheers
John

by **Eldre** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 19:32:21

>> Maybe it's operating system dependent? What OS are the people who have
>> problems running?

>> Eldred
>> --

>Do you run GLIDE or D3D with your V5?
>My TNT2 works fine, doesn't surprise me if a V5 does also, in D3D if that is
>the case.
>If you run in GLIDE, then there's no basis for comparison.

Um, I really don't know. The option in GPL is 3DFX. Does that mean GLIDE?

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by **Andre Warrin** » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 07:09:58

Yep

Andre

by **Paul Sulliv** » Sun, 01 Jul 2001 09:04:32

I think the game is just flat out fun and at $20 totally worth it.
Kinda like Serious Sam in that regard - nothing really new, but just
flat out good fun and ***.

> Well I hope you rip them for using the same old game engine and even worse
> yet the same***poor online code. I will say their physics model is better
> suited to Leadfoot than the oval track games. I feel this is probably
> because of the Difference Engines origins in Powerslide. I have seen screen
> shots and heard reports of trucks starting at different portions of the
> track. I would have to say that Leadfoot is worth the $20 price but a no go
> at your $50. Do you really feel that the Leadfoot is comparable in graphic,
> online code as say N4? I would have to agree that the AI between the two
> games is similar, they are both a bunch of bone heads.

> MadDAWG

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