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Errrmmmm........NO!

reape

Errrmmmm........NO!

by reape » Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Hey, Sjon!

Somewhat strong language for a man who did lots of perfect work for the
simracing community.
Nobody rushed you ever, right?
And you did perfect work with Sjon's GP2 site.
Congratulations after quite a while.
But you never made promises you couldn't keep.
You just made your work.
That's professional!
So - calm down.
Criticism is a part of a democratical society. And it basically works for
the sake of the community.
So what...
R.



> Quit complaining!

> Give Jack some time, I am sure GPaL will be finished soon.

> Guys like you***me off... Always complaining about when something
> is released trying to push the author into releasing it. People like you
are
> also the first to complain when something has a bug in it.

> That bug is there because people like YOU pushed the author
> into releasing something which isn't actually finished yet!

> This really pisses me off!

> Jack: Take your time and amaze us when GPaL is done ;-) !

> -MiXer-


> >O.k., I'd like to appreciate any effort to enhance computer-based racing
> >simulations.
> >I also think that work, private life or even sleep should have a higher
> >priority than things you do with your computer for the sake of other
> >people's fun.
> >But there is one thing I don't like:
> >Making promises you can not keep (and if not promises - announcements
will
> >do also, if repeated.)
> >I went into hospital on June 6Th when GPal was announced for June 7th (or
> >8th or whatever). Now its July 15th and Jack has postponed once again.
> >The problem is: I'm not even sure that GPal is necessary, but I'd like to
> >see it anyway. And maybe it's really useful.
> >But it is in fact a not very professional way to announce products for a
> >date you can not keep.
> >It is a way to push expectations. Expectations you can probably fulfill
> >under no circumstances.
> >GPal seems to be a perfect example of such an unhealthy behavior.
> >Jack is keeping expectations high and flying but is promising nothing in
> >reality.
> >As much as I would like to see a program which would make the "perfect
> >companion to GPL", as much I am disappointed with Jacks professional
> >attitude.
> >If you can't get your things done, then quit them.
> >I am sorry Jack, but I think you should go for a more professional
> >approach...
> >Yours -
> >Reaperle

reape

Errrmmmm........NO!

by reape » Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Agree.
R.





> > But there is one thing I don't like:
> > Making promises you can not keep (and if not promises - announcements
will
> > do also, if repeated

> No doubt Jack thought he could keep to the initial timescales - otherwise
he
> would not have suggested them.

> The workplace is full of missed deadlines. We probably all know a
roadworks
> project running way over expectations. Certainly anyone in the computer
> software or related industry is well aware of slipping launch dates.
Indeed
> there will always be uncertainty when estimating timescales, and those
> little problems always crop up that weren't in the initial plan.

> This is in the workplace where we get paid to come up with deadlines and
> control the resources to meet them.

> Outside of the workplace and hobbies have to take lower priorities. Add
the
> uncertainties of domestic life and plans simply go out the window. Car
> restoration projects, house renovations, DIY projects - how many of us
have
> been way too optimistic in planning when we will get it all done.
Something
> always takes longer than expected or distractions take us away from our
> projects.

> Enthusiasm adds to the over optimistic planning - the desire to see the
> finished article adds means we so often dismiss the potential pitfalls and
> plan for the perfect scenario - of course this seldom ever is the case.

> Add all sorts of other factors - pressures of work, family demands, delays
> of related supplies or products (in this case did the delayed launch of
GPL
> 1.1 patch have a bearing?) and we start to understand why a hobby might
take
> so much longer than originally thought.

> So lets try to be a bit more understanding towards a very enthusiastic GPL
> fan who wants to ensure his product is spot on before launch.

> The GPL 1.1 patch has done little to improve on-line play for me - so I
> eagerly await GPaL to make the off-line play super competitive at every
> track - I'm e***d by the prospect.

> Cheers

> Tony

Brett Resch

Errrmmmm........NO!

by Brett Resch » Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:00:00



So what?

First, usenet is not a democratical society.  It's a chaotical
society.  Errm, I think I mean chaotic. ;)  No election was held to
give Jack the title of "GPaL Committee Chair".  He stepped forward,
and told the community he was going to do it.  This is not democracy.
(Actually, in your own sick little world, it's a theocracy, I'd bet,
Jack.)

;-D

Second, whining about such a ridiculous topic has nothing but a
negative effect on the community.  Call it "criticism" or whatever you
wish, but it looks like a 3-year-old child crying, and does absolutely
nothing to motivate the developer.

Do you realize how ridiculous you make yourself look by acting like
this?  For crying out loud, whining to Randy and Papy about the free
patch sounded silly!  But you are now whining to a person whose
"hobby" happens to be making cool software.  You've taken "Whining
Like a Spoiled Child" and made it an art form

If Jack wants to come here and toss out dates, and then live a life
with his family or job, or whatever, then so be it.  If he was to
never finish GPaL, he would still have the right to come here and
guess at it's completion date, daily, until he died.

Oh, by the way, I'm shaking the last of the bugs out of my Linux port
of Grand Prix Legends.  I should have it ready by tomorrow, noon, if
anyone wants it.  That means tomorrow I should be able to pull off a
concurrent release of my ports for Linux, Mac, and Windows CE, and
Palm Pilot all at once.  :P

Sheesh, there I go, acting all "unprofessional" again.  I'll have to
work on that.

Everyone have a nice day.
No wait.  Everyone, do not have a nice day.  Everyone get a grip!

Brett

Dan Belch

Errrmmmm........NO!

by Dan Belch » Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Reaperle...I'd like you to think back about what you have said.  His expected
release date was just an estimated time of when he MIGHT have the project done.
 Remember that he has a real life too, he doesn't spend all his time working on
a program for a game, I'm sorry, a sim.  He might want to spend time with his
family, eat, sleep, ya know.  Also, think that even professionals don't get
things out when they say they will.  Hell, Papyrus said we'd have NASCAR Racing
3, (the true N3 with the GPL physics engine) by the end of 1998, now they're
saying it won't be out for another year or more.  So don't take dates too
literally when you want something released.  You will end up with another
bug-filled piece of crap, like NASCAR Revolution was.

Dan Belcher
Team Racing Unlimited

Ed Ba

Errrmmmm........NO!

by Ed Ba » Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:00:00

On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:34:03 -0400,


Scott, no good deed goes unpunished... :)

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Florian Kernle

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by Florian Kernle » Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Hahaha! So in your opinion, there is not a single professional software
developer on the whole world??
I just thought of Westwood who are 1-2 years late for C&C:TS. Wow, they are
unprofessional....
Or think about Microsoft. I don't know exactly, but I think I remember that
Win95 was late, too, so it must be unprofessional.... Well, what OS are you
using then?? You won't use an unprofessional one, will you?

Just my two unprofessional cents...
Dex

Scott B. Huste

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by Scott B. Huste » Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:00:00

ROFL

Scott
PA-Scott


> On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:34:03 -0400,


> >Its just a shame for someone who is making a personal sacrifice to provide
> >a product for OUR benefit.

> Scott, no good deed goes unpunished... :)

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Bruce Kennewel

Errrmmmm........NO!

by Bruce Kennewel » Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:00:00

(snip)
The point is: I am not complaining about Jack's work or GPal itself, but
about his way of announcing GPal.
(unsnip)

No you weren't...you were complaining about the fact that it was "late". Go
back and have a look at your post. You effectively said that if he can't get
it done on time then he should forget it. Now how exactly does that relate
to your claim that you were only complaining about the WAY he announced it?


Bruce Kennewel

Errrmmmm........NO!

by Bruce Kennewel » Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:00:00

It is, actually.
It is probably one of the most democratic "societies" of all....no leader,
few rules, everyone has an equal opportunity to air their views and everyone
else can debate those views 'til the cows come home.
Very democratic, in fact.




> >Criticism is a part of a democratical society. And it basically works for
> >the sake of the community.
> >So what...

> So what?

> First, usenet is not a democratical society.  It's a chaotical
> society.  Errm, I think I mean chaotic. ;)  No election was held to
> give Jack the title of "GPaL Committee Chair".  He stepped forward,
> and told the community he was going to do it.  This is not democracy.
> (Actually, in your own sick little world, it's a theocracy, I'd bet,
> Jack.)

> ;-D

> Second, whining about such a ridiculous topic has nothing but a
> negative effect on the community.  Call it "criticism" or whatever you
> wish, but it looks like a 3-year-old child crying, and does absolutely
> nothing to motivate the developer.

> Do you realize how ridiculous you make yourself look by acting like
> this?  For crying out loud, whining to Randy and Papy about the free
> patch sounded silly!  But you are now whining to a person whose
> "hobby" happens to be making cool software.  You've taken "Whining
> Like a Spoiled Child" and made it an art form

> If Jack wants to come here and toss out dates, and then live a life
> with his family or job, or whatever, then so be it.  If he was to
> never finish GPaL, he would still have the right to come here and
> guess at it's completion date, daily, until he died.

> Oh, by the way, I'm shaking the last of the bugs out of my Linux port
> of Grand Prix Legends.  I should have it ready by tomorrow, noon, if
> anyone wants it.  That means tomorrow I should be able to pull off a
> concurrent release of my ports for Linux, Mac, and Windows CE, and
> Palm Pilot all at once.  :P

> Sheesh, there I go, acting all "unprofessional" again.  I'll have to
> work on that.

> Everyone have a nice day.
> No wait.  Everyone, do not have a nice day.  Everyone get a grip!

> Brett

Jo

Errrmmmm........NO!

by Jo » Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>It is probably one of the most democratic "societies" of all....no leader,
>few rules, everyone has an equal opportunity to air their views and everyone
>else can debate those views 'til the cows come home.
>Very democratic, in fact.

Um, not to start an offtopic argument but that's not democratic. A
democratic body must in the end have a way to put the debate to a
vote, and a way for that result to be implemented.

Joe McGinn
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