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Brian and I have pretty much gotten used to each other trying
right there with me fine, otherwise, maybe next caution.
snookered by 3-5th place racing back to a yellow with the

You guys weren't snookered. Everyone was racing back to the line and went
through T1 and T2 full speed after Brian spun on the front straight and the
yellow came out. Coming out of T2 I was in fourth right behind Mitch and at
the exact same moment you and Brian decided to slow, I was making my move on
Mitch to the inside. He had to slow for you and I ended up shooting past him
and both of you. Just watch the replay from inside my car and you'll see
what I was looking at the timing of everything. I didn't even realize you
and Brian were giving a lap back until we were under caution. I'm sure Mitch
and Ginger didn't know what you were doing either. I thought one of you got
loose and had to slow coming out of T2. It would of been better to wait
until farther down the back straight and type "lap", since we were all
bunched up and racing back to the line coming out of T2.

David G Fisher

And Brian you HUSH :)  Tim don't need no help, but you can tell me, Ill be
quiet :))

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tires, I'll be a happy camper. :)

Mitch

Brian and I have pretty much gotten used to each other trying
right there with me fine, otherwise, maybe next caution.
snookered by 3-5th place racing back to a yellow with the
things are left up to the sim, and the concern racers at
lot less on giving laps back.  This isn't to slight anyone,
other than not allow passing with lead lap cars when the
to go, and possibly altering the outcome, and no one seems
and hopefully I can do better.  And also accept my apologies
and you were nowhere near pinching me down, even if you were
been normal there would have been no problem.
tires, I'll be a happy camper. :)

#99.  Um-m that would be me.  (Mike Kay aka Elrikk)

I am sorry for that one myself.  I had been following you and Eldred for a
couple of laps and you looked like you were taking a run at E (after not
quite getting by him in the previous couple of corners) but then slowed
behind him.  I had committed to following you by and noticed to late that
you were slowing.  My misjudgement of the situation.

I like to think that I have been learning from E's good example and
attemptimg to be a "gentleman driver".  Will keep trying to do so.

Elrikk

PS.  The person I feel even worse about is #49 ZZ Bush.  I slid up into him
early in the race and it was completely my fault.   Sorry ZZ.  Mea Maxima
Culpa.  Definately not one of my better days.   :o(

I have been given my share of laps back as well, and  I will probably
still give laps back if the field is strung out and I have a lap car
right behind me but I probably won't be so inclined to give laps back
if I think there is the slightest chance it will cause more problems.

Actually there was an incident when Farmer (I think) was a lap down
and we had just restarted where I didn't try to give a lap back.  I
wasn't being an ***, I was just too close to the S/F line and I
would have had to slam on my brakes.

BTW, I like our current rules where we race back to the line, but
quite frankly I usually let up a little when the yellow comes out.
Chances are if I haven't got around the guy in front of me for the
last 20 laps, a bonzai move coming to the yellow isn't going to work
either.

Brian

It really dosen't bother me too much if I get passed while giving a
lap back... it may have just been because they couldn't slow enough to
avoid me and not cause a problem, they didn't realize what I was
doing, or what ever.  If I am out front because I am fast then I will
just pass them back (although I did have one hell of a time trying to
pass people Sat.).

And, like I said before, I don't want any new rule about not passing
under yellow, etc.  The rules in the sim are enough.  Just use common
sense people, watch the pro's and see how they act in different
situations and simply emmulate.

Brian Oster

Was this a yellow flag incident, or green flag?  I remember seeing someone get
twisted sideways, but I don't remember when.  I think one time I got loose, and
had to lift.  That might be what I was thinking.  I had a couple of times under
yellow, where the person in front just *stopped*, and I had to stop to keep
from hitting him.  That caught Jan out once that I know of - he couldn't see
the person in front of me stop...

Eldred
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It was definitely bunched up, and I shouldn't have slowed so quickly.
I'll do better next time.

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Think about the spot I was in though, your intentions were honorable but how
many spots behind will even be able to identify your intentions and react
accordingly while in the heat of battle?  This isn't to say I want a new
rule but I think we all need to be clear.  The accordion effect is surely in
place past 2nd spot.

I think knowing someone elses' intentions will come naturally after
you have raced with that person for a while.  Tim didn't slam into the
back of me because when the yellow came out, he knew what I was going
to do and vice/versa (although now I really don't know what to
expect).

The other big thing here is SITUATION AWARENESS.  Before any restart I
look to see who is behind/in front of me and I look to see who is a
lap down and who is fast enough to potentially be racing to get a lap
back if there should be a quick caution.  During the race I keep F2 up
and keep track of any "green" cars that may be behind me and how far
back they are.  I am pretty sure Tim does the same because I have been
behind him when the yellow comes out and if there are no lap down cars
that are close, he never lifts.  If there is a lap down car that is
within striking distance I know that I will need to slow down,
maintain my position, and move up high because Tim will be doing the
same.

Brian

Well it started out as a green flag incident that abruptly changed to yellow
when I bumped him.   ;o)

But there was one time when running back to the line under yellow that I
almost took you out when you slowed down just at the pits (but in the middle
of the track).  It was as if you were thinking of pitting then thought
better of it. (maybe someone was slowing in front of you.)   I swerved to
the inside and almost entered the pits at high speed but managed to take the
grass just to the right of the pit entrance and made it back to the race
surface without being given a black flag for entering the pits to fast.

I spent about 2/3 of the race spectating from the pits, dividing my time
between riding with the two leaders and you.  Learned alot from riding with
and watching all of you.

Elrikk

BTW,  I can only play with the aliens at a few tracks so I don't know
if I fully qualify as a full fledged allien yet.  And when I was back
in the pack I had to work VERY hard to get around you guys and
completely burned up my RF in the process.  If it had not been for the
late caution and Gingers BF I would have ended up 3rd at best and
maybe way further back... I was dropping like a rock.

Actually, I think a lot of people have elevated themselves this year.
At all 3 races we have had this year I think anyone of at least 5 to
10 people had a good chance to win.  If you look at the practice
times, the top 10 times are not seperated by that much which tells me
there are a lot of people capable of turning some fast laps and with
track position/long runs.... anyones race.

Brian Oster

Sorry Mike....I knew it was you but just used the number because I was in a
hurry. I also dont blame you, just one of those racin deals. And yes Eldred it
was under green. It seems you may have slipped a little and Mike was right... I
should have slid under instead of slowing.
Dan

:)))

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