rec.autos.simulators

Well what we have here is Gordon going up under Earnhardt and taking the
wind out from under him. If you cry babie Earnhardt fans was watching
the race then you would have known this. Gordon was on Earnhatds tail
earlier and Dale got loose. So when Gordon went for the pass Earnhardt
got loose and got into the wall and then Jarret got into his Earnhardts
tail. You know something when Earnhardt is to blame for a wreck you
Earnherdt fans say well "That is part of racin". After this event I say
well "SHIT HAPPENS!!"

 But what gets under my skin is the fact that MOST Gordon fans are new
to nascar. These are the fans that for some reason think gordon is the
best driver nascar has ever seen. This is something that remains to be
seen. I dont think 19 wins and one cup puts him in this category. Dont
get me wrong Gordon will undoubtedly continue to be successful. And to
those green, uneducated(nascar wise) fans who think Gordon is the next
best thing to sliced bread. Here's alittle history for ya..Earnhardt
won a race his rookie season..Gordon did not. Earnhardt won a cup the
year following his rookie season..Gordon did not. Yes you all can say
"ya but Gordon won a daytona 500..Earnhardt didnt" This is true and as
disappointing as this is to his team and fans....there isnt a driver
out there who would take a daytona 500 victory vs a cup. One more
thing..as successful as Gordon has been the last few years he still is
not held in the regard as Earnhardt is by their peers. About 95% of
the drivers are on record as saying Earnhardt is the best they have
ever seen and say things like "that man can do things with a car i
didnt think were possible" And this includes Gordon!! Please dont
think I'm bashing Gordon..He's an excellent driver with good equipment
and will continue to win races. He just doesnt deserve to be put in
the same class as an Earnahrdt or Petty. Perhaps one day he will. All
I ask is that those of you new to the sport as a fan educate
yourselves before you cast your opinions.

Well actually Jarret hit the brakes and Swirvin Irvan nailed Jarret and
knocked him into Earnhardt
Forever #24
--
JCSpeed

Have you been to races and listened to Gordon with a scanner???? If so,
what was the babiest thing he said over the radio. I have suspected that he
is sort of a fake when interviewed and that his ego is larger than a
elephants ass.

Eric

   2. Following a pit stop, Gordon ends up going a lap down due to
      a pressure problem on one of the new tires.  We listened to him
      chattering away begging Everham to call the other pits to get
      a driver to let him up on a restart so that he could get his lap
      back.

Last May's Coca-Cola 600 at C***te:
   1. Bobby Labonte was running behind Gordon for about a lap and
      started to pass coming out of turn 2.  Jeffy's car broke loose
      and he nearly hit the wall.  You could hear him on the radio
      complaining that ***y tried to take him out on purpose and wanted
      to file some sort of protest with NASCAR officials.

Almost anytime during a race, you can hear Ray trying to keep Gordon
calm...  Ray is the one that keeps Gordon in the race.  Then Gordon gets
a few breaks and is in the right place at the right time.  How many
rain shortened races did he win last year?! :-)

My wife used to be a BIG Gordon fan...  good thing we invested in the
radios!! :-)

David

Kyle Stevens

        <snip>

Now, come on.  You can't really be asking people to restrict their
postings to intelligent, informed, well-thought-out ideas, can you?  
All of Usenet would collapse!  ;-)

The truth is, I completely agree with your position on Jeff Gordon and
his fans.  I first started watching Jeff Gordon when he was driving
open wheels, and I remember thinking that this guy was one hell of a
driver.  I still feel that he is a good driver, but having the best
equipment doesn't hurt either.  Let him spend a season on Dave Marcis'
radials and see if he wins the championship again.  I will never forget
his first season driving in Winston Cup.  Everytime something didn't go
his way, he would claim that the people racing in this division (the
veterans) need to learn how to drive.  Very immature.

--Marcus

Steven,

I have to say I agree with most everything you said.  Dale is, hands
down, the best.   Maybe the best ever.

I can't understand why no one has mentioned the move Gordon pulled on
Elliot going into turn one.  That was just plain reckless, IMHO.  You
don't go into a turn on the apron at 190+ mph, as we all know from
NASCAR sim experience.  You especially don't do this with someone else
in the low groove.  Granted, Elliot was trying to crowd/block him down
the straight.  But still...!   That proved to me he was driving
impatiently, with too much emotion and not enough brain.  That
reinforces, in my mind, his aggression in the incident with Dale.  Did
anyone notice how Elliot just back off and went high trying to stay away
from Gordon?  I think Jeff scared the hell out of him.

I also agree that Dale has been known to be over agressive.  But he has
also taken a lot of heat for it and has calmed down considerably.  I
think it is time to turn some of that heat onto the fair-haired-boy
(Gordon) before he gets someone killed.

I hate what happened to Dale.  I am a fan and I would like to see him
win Daytona.  But you're right Steve.  "That's just one o' them deals."
"That's racin'."

For what it's worth.
Tony Joy

Hmm... what the heck does this have to do with racing or Gordon's
driving abiltiy?  You've got too much time on your hands!

Shawn Wise
"A Gordon Fan"

I have to say I Hate! Earnhart! But I have been going to the Winston
Cup races for a long time even before it was called Winston Cup cars
and I know and everyone else that really knows racing knows that
Earnhart is the best and I mean BEST! at this game.
why do you think so meany people don't like him? one is because
its a one man show most of the time.
If you are going to bet on a race you stand a better chance
winning with earnhart then anyone else out there.
If any of you go to these races, get yourself a scanner
It makes a race a lot better. some of the cars frequencies are
scrambled but just about all the best drivers you can hear.
the newer scanners that go up to 512mhz are the ones to get, because
some of the teams use the higher frequencies. Older and cheeper
scanners don't go that high.

-DG-
"A Nascar Fan"

When you think about it Dale Jarrett was the one that got screwed in that
race! I mean involved in two accidents in less than ten minutes! Bummer!

Doesn't this just make sense? I don't particularly get too attached to
the Gordon vs. Jarrett vs. Earnheardt arguments, but it seems
perfectly logical that if I was driving a Top-5 car, and had a
temporary setback that put me a lap down, I'd be asking my crewcheif
to cut whatever deal he needed to to put me back on the lead lap. (I
certainly wouldn't just sit back and say, "No Ray, please doesn't ask
anyone for a favor for little old us; we'll just take our lumps lying
down, roll over, play dead, and try better next week...")

Gordon is obviously talented, and obviously competitive. It's hard for
me to think of more to ask from a driver.

---Jim Sokoloff, myself.