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I can't see where the gap is to the fast guys. I have lapped Silverstone
down to 1:32.x - not going to find that regularly though. My Ferrari style
cooks up tires - human online competition doesn't seem to have same probs
getting 1:26's and repetitively.

Er hem. I'm (frustratingly) lacking understanding why I can't keep up. Been
at this game for about 3 years and am still struggling.

<Deep breath or 2> Anyone know how to access Lights Out Racing reviews? They
were very prescriptive but have disappeared.
Tony

Here you go http://www.racesimcentral.com/guides/gpl/lor/lor_main.shtml
also checkout Ryk Penfold's great guides here
http://www.racesimcentral.com/guides/gpl/ryk_track/ryk_main.shtml

Glenn

Silver is one of the hardest tracks in GPL, It's flat with no
reference points at the most important turn-in points.
I'll bet you lose time in the left-handers since those are the most
difficult.

As with many corners in GPL the trick is to enter the corner with more
speed than seems good for you, turn in -early- and slide through the
corner, rubbing off speed while you're sliding. If you time things
correctly you can allready hit the throttle (carefully) while you're
still in the corner.

Bit hard to explain, but I hope you understand the basic idea.
Watch some replays from the aliens to see how they do it.
Just don't focus too much on Huttu's replay at Silver, I don't know
how he does it, but he drives in a wicked way there..
He starts turning the wheel way before each corner and still drives
the perfect lines. If I try the same my car is all over the place :-/

Andre

Make sure you are getting full throttle by not pushing your pedal all the
way to the floor when you calibrate, I found I had this problem when I got a
new wheel, it was almost unnoticeable but added seconds to my lap times.

If that doesn't help your just plain slow ;-) Seriously though you just need
to either calm your driving down if you are too wild, or push harder if
you're too cautious, there *is* allot more time there. Download some faster
peoples relays, see where you are losing time with GPL Replay Analyser and
then have a look at what they are doing different. Andy Wilke's laps are a
good guide because he has a consistent driving style he's not wild like some
other hotlapers.

d/l andys replays and setups here:
http://www.sim-replays.de/

At Silverstone, all the braking zones are in a straight.  You need to stop
braking exclusively in those straights, start doing trail-braking into the
corners.  Really, you'll see amazingly new results.  Then by tweaking the
setup, it will be much more easy to make that weight transfer in the mid
corner and still keep a good exit speed.

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Tony

Here is the perfect answer to your question <ignore> <G> the other lads.

Download some fast replays from Silverstone.

Make sure you have a replay of your self driving at Silverstone at your
fastest pace.

Then download the latest version of GPLRA(GPLReplayAnalyser)

Start GPLRA and choose your best lap,then choose a lap from each of the
other 'fast' replays,preferably include a real alien lap to(Huttu will do
fine )

Then choose the Merge feature from the drop down menu.

Then save this newly made replay and watch it.

This will be an actual lap.showing you in the same race as those 'fast' guys
and that 'alien'.

You will instantly see where you are falling behind and gaining(?)

Enjoy matey

Morgan

OMG!!  This is exactly what I need... I had no idea that GPLRA could do
this.  Damn, I'm at work right now... maybe I'll fake a migrane and go home
:)

Dale.

I'm no speed demon either, but two things I found that finally helped me
get under the benchmark were first, the left handers are much faster
than they look, and secondly, on that last turn before the start/finish
line (forget the name) if you trail brake lightly almost all the way to
the apex you can both come in a lot hotter and power out a lot faster.
For the left handers it seems like you have to really use the road
camber and you have to get right back on the throttle immediately after
turn-in to get them right.  Touch the brakes, point the car, get back on
it (with control of course).  All of this is shown in the replay which
comes with the game btw, it's just that (for me at least) there is a
large gap between seeing it done right and doing it right myself.  ;o)
In fact I spent about four hours Friday night trying to shave off the
last 0.06 that I needed to nudge under the benchmark.  Actually I nailed
it after three hours but failed to notice, I was so obsessed (still
haven't broken the magic 1:30 though).  I think my poor son thought I
had seriously flipped out and needed to be committed.  By the way guys,
have I ever thanked you for getting me ***ed to this damn game?
Thanks a buttload!  ;o)

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1:26s? Sheesh. I've *once* broken 1:28. Still, I only got that far by
changing one or two things. A couple of things I noticed (mainly in the
Lotus, tho' the Ferrari is pretty similar):

* Slidearoonie! One reason I like this track is that I can slide about
more than anywhere else and still go fast. Four-wheel drift is a must
here.

* Maggotts is *much* faster than it looks - easily fourth-gear if you
get the slide right. Turn in well before the corner and clip the start
of the apex.

* You can brake for Stowe quite a bit later than you think - *if* you
manage not to lock the wheels.

* Abbey is horrible - I have no idea how the top guys take it in
fourth. A highish third is the best I can do.

* You can accelerate fairly early out of Woodcote with a touch (a
*touch*) of opposite lock.

HTH.

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That's probably what's screwing me up.  I haven't figured out the drift yet.
If I try to rotate the car like that, it just keeps spinning...

"Highish third"?  I'm lucky to GET to third...

Eldred
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I'm using Roland Ehnstr?m's setup, if that's of any help.

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I do Abbey in Third, highish enough that I'm starting to play around with
fourth, unsucessfully so far.

But I note that your PB is better than mine, so you must know something
about getting around there.

Of course *my* PB is not exactly something to alert the world about either.

KFG

  Well, if your in the top of third then going to fourth now would
probably be worth about a 1/4 of a second a lap on average. What you
lose in raw grunt coming of the corner you will more than make up for in
stability, power to the ground and longer time in the throttle (ie
earlier application).

I'll have to try those again.  Thanks.

Eldred
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You've mentioned that before...I'm *still* surprised at that...  That's
probably the ONLY track I beat you at.<g>
<mental note to check GPLRank>

Eldred
p.s. no it isn't, but you're KILLING me at Rouen and Nurburgring...
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