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Is there anyone out there who HASN'T played/seen GPL yet??

Byron Forbe

Is there anyone out there who HASN'T played/seen GPL yet??

by Byron Forbe » Wed, 09 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Gee, it's a wonder someone with a "life" like yours wastes his time on this NG with the
likes of us! Are all the playboy bunnys sick and all your race cars garaged after a spat
of dirty fuel?



> >Just wondering.. has EVERYONE here played the Grand Prix Legends demo yet??
> >If you haven't... why the heck not??.. After all, this IS
> >"rec.autos.simulators".. we should all be interested in this product.
> I didn't know that it was a requirement to play this demo if I
> frequent this NG.  I haven't had the time yet this summer to try out
> the demo...I actually have a life (at least in the summer) outside of
> computers.  I shall endeavour to pour every waking moment I have into
> playing GPL so that you might be happy.

> Mike

Marc J. Nelso

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by Marc J. Nelso » Wed, 09 Sep 1998 04:00:00

At 225 it'll run faster with the 75MHz bus speed, as opposed to the


> John,

> Why did you under clock the 233 ;-)

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John Walla

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by John Walla » Wed, 09 Sep 1998 04:00:00

On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:48:54 +0100, "Mark Fisher"


>Why did you under clock the 233 ;-)

Shocking, isn't it? :-)

Actually I had a switch installed on the case which flicked between
"x3" and "x3.5" and had the system setup for 75Mhz bus. That meant I
could change between 225 and 263 at the flick of a switch. With the
system at 233 I was already running "x3.5" and so could only go
downward, hence my use of 75Mhz bus. Initially I ran the system at 225
for day-to-day stuff and 263 for GPL, but eventually it got to be
tiring having to shut down and switch over, and to recalibrate
joysticks every time. I then left it at 225 all the time which was
fine for GPL.

Cheers!
John

Greg Cisk

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by Greg Cisk » Wed, 09 Sep 1998 04:00:00


>That's a shame.

Not really. If I'm not interested, I see no point in forcing
myself, just to hang with you fella's :-)

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>> I haven't tried it yet and have no intention of doing so. Old
>> F1 cars just don't appeal to me I guess.

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ymenar

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by ymenar » Wed, 09 Sep 1998 04:00:00


Hihihi Dan ! ;-) ROTF...   He's still*** at Mosport that cutty'littly
bunny ? He's running and running and running and...

Hmm... errr..... well.... let's just say....

He's no longer of our world...

Well probably still being digested in my stomach (I over-cooked him)

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Raev

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by Raev » Wed, 09 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Well, I've been driving on this track a little more than is healthy.
I am completely, ridiculously impressed with the physics engine in
GPL, having been a sim fan for a while now I have some others to
compare it to... (all the regular PC sims, including PSX's Gran
Turismo)/..
GPL is the coolest!~  The only problem is that now I feel obligated to
buy a steering wheel, after all this time.. the lowest Thomas wheel is
$200+ and a new graphics card is at least $200.
So, do I spend all of this money so that I can enjoy GPL in all it's
glory? Or do I just suffer.....//////

ps:  I custom painted my Brabham Repco to look like Racer X's yellow
car and I even painted my gearshift knob black with a little skull on
it! no kidding!

Rae

see you at the 'ring!!!!!

Peter Gag

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by Peter Gag » Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:00:00



> get me a
> wheel and
> pedal set (any ideas on which one to get?).  until then i'm using the
> joystick.

If money is no object, an ECCI seems the best?

Slightly lower down the scale I would say are a TSW or F1 Sim, good
value for money wheels are any of the Thrustmaster series? and
personally I would stay away from the *cheap* end of the market!

8-)

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Peter Gag

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by Peter Gag » Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:00:00



I'm only using a K6 200 (clocked to 225) with 64Mb a 3Dfx card
(Voodoo1) and GPL runs great!
Admittedly it may slow down a tad with AI, but it can be tweaked to
allow for that?

You really *must* try GPL, it will run fine on your pc....

8-)

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Peter Gag

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by Peter Gag » Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:00:00



> Why did you under clock the 233 ;-)

He is *not* underclocking his pc, he is *overbussing* it.

The pc runs at a multiplier of 3.5 & a buspeed of 66 to achieve 233MHz,
(3.5 x 66 = 233) but if you lower the multiplier to 3 and change the
bus speed to 75 the pc actually runs faster (3 x 75 = 225MHz) cos the
busspeed has increased most of the important components in the pc by
running at 75 rather than 66MHz. (Eg:- L2 cache, RAM, Video card & Hard
disk)

8-)

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L. Andre Min

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by L. Andre Min » Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:00:00


> He is *not* underclocking his pc, he is *overbussing* it.

> The pc runs at a multiplier of 3.5 & a buspeed of 66 to achieve 233MHz,
> (3.5 x 66 = 233) but if you lower the multiplier to 3 and change the
> bus speed to 75 the pc actually runs faster (3 x 75 = 225MHz) cos the
> busspeed has increased most of the important components in the pc by
> running at 75 rather than 66MHz. (Eg:- L2 cache, RAM, Video card & Hard
> disk)

> 8-)

> *Peter*    8-)

Hi Peter...

Admittedly, about all I can do is add hardware/install software, however
I find the above point "interesting". Got a few questions:  

I've heard my Intel P233MMX is limited to 66mhz bus speed internally, if
so, how do you get around that?  That is, if I bus up to 75mhz... my
Intel will still operate at 66mhz. Is this right?

Also, what about the 60mhz "refresh rate" on my monitor? Is this also a
bottleneck? Assuming I can up my bus speed using Intel, does the monitor
refresh rate have to be upped to match with a faster bus speed, and if
so, how?

Thanks...

Andre

Peter Gag

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by Peter Gag » Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:00:00



Depends, some Intel cpu's have been doctored by Intel so you cannot
o/c them? Likewise some m/b's are better at o/c'ing than others? But
you can still try it and see? the worst that will happen is that it
will not work.

You really need a m/b manual to see what your m/b can and cannot do?
try changing the multiplier and/or the bus speed and see what happens?
225MHz will almost certainly be faster than 233MHz, and you may get up
to 3.5 x 75 = 262MHz.

The Monitor refresh rate has nothing to do with o/c your pc, it is
merely the rate that the screen refresh is set to, and can be changed
to many settings, BTW, 60 is a bit low, usually 75 or over is
recommended? or some people can see the screen refreshing at that
rate?

By Increasing your bus speed you are increasing the video bus speed
slightly (cos it runs at *half* the m/b bus speed - so at 66MHz the
video bus runs at 33MHz, but at 75 it runs at 37.5MHz) But this
usually isn't a problem, and doesn't affect the monitor refresh rate.

The main problem with o/c'ing is heat, cos all the components are
running faster they get hotter? so check the heat before you start,
and then again after you have made the cahnges, As a guide (very rough
guide I grant you!) If I cannot hold my hand on the cpu/heatsink while
it is running, then it too hot. Usually if you suffer crashes or
system hangs after o/c'ing it is cos its too hot, so try using a
slightly slower setting?

Also just try to increase the buspeed and cpu by one speed increase at
a time, do not try and run it at 300 straight away or you may fry your
pc internals? increase the muliplier and bus one click at a time and
see what happens?

NB: I accept no responsibility if it all goes wrong, it *is* a risk to
take, don't do it unless you can afford to replace it.....

8-)

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L. Andre Min

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by L. Andre Min » Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:00:00


> Depends, some Intel cpu's have been doctored by Intel so you cannot
> o/c them? Likewise some m/b's are better at o/c'ing than others? But
> you can still try it and see? the worst that will happen is that it
> will not work.
> You really need a m/b manual to see what your m/b can and cannot do?
> try changing the multiplier and/or the bus speed and see what happens?
> 225MHz will almost certainly be faster than 233MHz, and you may get up
> to 3.5 x 75 = 262MHz.
> The Monitor refresh rate has nothing to do with o/c your pc, it is
> merely the rate that the screen refresh is set to, and can be changed
> to many settings, BTW, 60 is a bit low, usually 75 or over is
> recommended? or some people can see the screen refreshing at that
> rate?

> By Increasing your bus speed you are increasing the video bus speed
> slightly (cos it runs at *half* the m/b bus speed - so at 66MHz the
> video bus runs at 33MHz, but at 75 it runs at 37.5MHz) But this
> usually isn't a problem, and doesn't affect the monitor refresh rate.

> The main problem with o/c'ing is heat, cos all the components are
> running faster they get hotter? so check the heat before you start,
> and then again after you have made the cahnges, As a guide (very rough
> guide I grant you!) If I cannot hold my hand on the cpu/heatsink while
> it is running, then it too hot. Usually if you suffer crashes or
> system hangs after o/c'ing it is cos its too hot, so try using a
> slightly slower setting?
> Also just try to increase the buspeed and cpu by one speed increase at
> a time, do not try and run it at 300 straight away or you may fry your
> pc internals? increase the muliplier and bus one click at a time and
> see what happens?

> NB: I accept no responsibility if it all goes wrong, it *is* a risk to
> take, don't do it unless you can afford to replace it.....

Peter...

Thanks for the tips... I've now tried overbussing to 75mhz with zero
problems. At this point I'm running at 225mhz on the CPU. Yes, my MB
does allow for 75x3.5... I might give that a shot... after all, we're
only talking a paltry 30 more mhz from my P233. Might try that later
tonight. Again, thanks for the info.

Andre

Uwe Schuerka

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by Uwe Schuerka » Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:00:00



>Hi,
>    I tried it at work one day! :)  We had P233's there, compared to the
>P120 I'am using right now!  That should change in a couple of days when I
>pick up my AMD K6-2 333!  And I will finally get to see what this 3d
>acceleration thing is all about too!  Hopefully I'll get to try GPL on
>this system soon, if I can get it to work in Win98!  I'll be defently
>picking up the game as soon as it is released!

>Later,
>John

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by John Courtn » Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Opps!!!!! I forgot about that!!!!!!!!!!!! <Windows error: "you have just
run out of exlamation marks!!!"> <news reader crashes> :)

Later,
John


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