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I sure miss Papy

mjones5

I sure miss Papy

by mjones5 » Wed, 07 Jan 2004 08:19:45

I sure miss waiting on the next version of Nascar Racing from Papy, nothing
to be e***d about any more. :(
AD

I sure miss Papy

by AD » Wed, 07 Jan 2004 08:39:13

i think you spoke too soon ;)

AD

Mitch_

I sure miss Papy

by Mitch_ » Wed, 07 Jan 2004 09:37:02

I wanna hear the rumor?  This is the second time this week Ive heard
whispers about something new from Papy.

> i think you spoke too soon ;)

> AD


>>I sure miss waiting on the next version of Nascar Racing from Papy,

Haqsa

I sure miss Papy

by Haqsa » Wed, 07 Jan 2004 09:56:41

Seems like in previous years something has already leaked out by now.


> I wanna hear the rumor?  This is the second time this week Ive heard
> whispers about something new from Papy.


> > i think you spoke too soon ;)

> > AD


> >>I sure miss waiting on the next version of Nascar Racing from Papy,

AD

I sure miss Papy

by AD » Wed, 07 Jan 2004 10:02:07

Here you go

http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://racingmag.gamesweb.c...

AD

> Seems like in previous years something has already leaked out by now.



> > I wanna hear the rumor?  This is the second time this week Ive heard
> > whispers about something new from Papy.


> > > i think you spoke too soon ;)

> > > AD


> > >>I sure miss waiting on the next version of Nascar Racing from Papy,

AD

I sure miss Papy

by AD » Wed, 07 Jan 2004 10:05:37

http://www.m4driving.sm/content/nascar/news/1/9038.html

Better link

AD

http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://racingmag.gamesweb.c...

> AD


> > Seems like in previous years something has already leaked out by now.



> > > I wanna hear the rumor?  This is the second time this week Ive heard
> > > whispers about something new from Papy.


> > > > i think you spoke too soon ;)

> > > > AD


> > > >>I sure miss waiting on the next version of Nascar Racing from Papy,

Michael Horto

I sure miss Papy

by Michael Horto » Wed, 07 Jan 2004 10:21:20

I'll believe it when I see it. Papy lost the rights the NASCAR sims to EA
and if they were doing anything NCAR related we'd see something posted on
their website by now.


> http://www.m4driving.sm/content/nascar/news/1/9038.html

> Better link

> AD


> > Here you go

http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://racingmag.gamesweb.c...

> > AD


> > > Seems like in previous years something has already leaked out by now.



> > > > I wanna hear the rumor?  This is the second time this week Ive heard
> > > > whispers about something new from Papy.


> > > > > i think you spoke too soon ;)

> > > > > AD


> > > > >>I sure miss waiting on the next version of Nascar Racing from
Papy,

Haqsa

I sure miss Papy

by Haqsa » Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:58:53

"Into EFF place ton resolve the issue that you acres having please follow
thesis Instructions."???  I guess that's a babelfish mangle, but geez...

To be honest with you I was really hoping they would do something else.  I
like NASCAR on TV but have never enjoyed it much as a game, regardless of
who the developer was.  I wish Papy would put their talents into some form
of road racing again.


> http://www.m4driving.sm/content/nascar/news/1/9038.html

> Better link

> AD


> > Here you go

http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://racingmag.gamesweb.c...
Ruud Dingeman

I sure miss Papy

by Ruud Dingeman » Wed, 07 Jan 2004 17:33:31


> I can't stand oval-track roundy-round racing, but N2003's physics model is
> far superior to GPL's for road racing, even in Cup cars (altho, granted, the
> I).  At one point, having compared the two, back to back, she referred to
> GPL as feeling like racing "on wooden tires."  

Of course. Back in those days they raced on *** that probably was
even harder than wood  ;)

Not quite     :)

I only partly agree with you here Steve; while NR2k3's physics and tyre
models are undoubtedly more evolved, there's just one thing that it
doesn't have: that evocative "feel" and the challenge that comes with
racing those classic F1 cars.

It's just more exiting than today's sports cars. I did race Papy's
Nascar thingies and fun as they are, to me it doesn't quite give the
same buzz as chasing Jim Clark's Lotus around the bends.

GPL's cars are so razor-sharp, it's hard to find anything that compares
- they go like jet fighters whereas Nascar-type cars feel like whales on
wheels.

The historical backgrounds and continuous flow of new and revived tracks
also contrast nicely with today's rather bland racing environments. More
romantic settings, you could say.

The King may be old and outraced, but lives - and still is King!

Regards, Rudy
(GPLRank -21)

Steve Smit

I sure miss Papy

by Steve Smit » Wed, 07 Jan 2004 21:07:54

There is no "feel" of racing classic F1 cars in GPL 'cuz it ain't the real
world; it's a sim!  What yer feeling ain't hysteresis (look it up), it's the
sum of bits and bytes.  Admittedly, I like the *idea* of driving Formula One
cars, but GPL's bolides feel (and act) more like arcade racers than RW cars.
I don't like the idea (self-image?) of racing NASCAR's antedeluvian whales,
but Papy's Cup cars feel (and act) a lot more like RW cars.  If Papy's next
sim was Shifter Karts, and the physics model was a further improvement, I'd
drop N2003 like a lead balloon....

Physics Rules...at least at my house.



> > I can't stand oval-track roundy-round racing, but N2003's physics model
is
> > far superior to GPL's for road racing, even in Cup cars (altho, granted,
the

> > I).  At one point, having compared the two, back to back, she referred
to
> > GPL as feeling like racing "on wooden tires."

> Of course. Back in those days they raced on *** that probably was
> even harder than wood  ;)

> >> The king is dead.  Long live the king!

> Not quite     :)

> I only partly agree with you here Steve; while NR2k3's physics and tyre
> models are undoubtedly more evolved, there's just one thing that it
> doesn't have: that evocative "feel" and the challenge that comes with
> racing those classic F1 cars.

> It's just more exiting than today's sports cars. I did race Papy's
> Nascar thingies and fun as they are, to me it doesn't quite give the
> same buzz as chasing Jim Clark's Lotus around the bends.

> GPL's cars are so razor-sharp, it's hard to find anything that compares
> - they go like jet fighters whereas Nascar-type cars feel like whales on
> wheels.

> The historical backgrounds and continuous flow of new and revived tracks
> also contrast nicely with today's rather bland racing environments. More
> romantic settings, you could say.

> The King may be old and outraced, but lives - and still is King!

> Regards, Rudy
> (GPLRank -21)

Goy Larse

I sure miss Papy

by Goy Larse » Thu, 08 Jan 2004 04:01:04


> I wanna hear the rumor?  This is the second time this week Ive heard
> whispers about something new from Papy.


> > i think you spoke too soon ;)

> > AD


> >>I sure miss waiting on the next version of Nascar Racing from Papy,

This was reposted on the PWF board

---
Greetings,

I've been following your posts on the General Discussion forum regarding
a release of NASCAR Racing 2004 Season. We here at Papyrus would like
nothing more than to continue making NASCAR games. Originally we had
planned to do so, but unfortunately our parent company, Sierra, no
longer has the licensing rights that would allow us to do so. We had
many new graphic and physics features planned and finished that would
have made it into the release, such as fully viewable opponent pit
crews, brake wear, tire blowouts, a nighttime rendering engine, and
seamless multiplayer integration of 3rd party mods as was viewable in
the NASCAR Racing 3 series.

While we share your eagerness for a further continuation of our flagship
product, practical realities dictate that this scenario will not come to
fruition. The immediate future has us locked out of obtaining the NASCAR
license as we would like, but who knows, a NASCAR Racing 2010 release
could always be on the way. Or maybe even sooner, if circumstances
change regarding the status of the current NASCAR licensing.

In the meantime, we appreciate your interest and purchase of our game.
Without your patronage, we would have never made it this far.

Sincerely,

Dave Kaemmer
---

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

MadDAW

I sure miss Papy

by MadDAW » Thu, 08 Jan 2004 04:07:50

Someone should tell him he dosen't need the CRAPCAR name on it.  Stock car
racing 2004 would be just fine.  Hell make it a Trans Am game that can be
moded for stock cars.

MadDAWG

Tony Rickar

I sure miss Papy

by Tony Rickar » Thu, 08 Jan 2004 04:23:45


> There is no "feel" of racing classic F1 cars in GPL 'cuz it ain't the real
> world; it's a sim!  What yer feeling ain't hysteresis (look it up), it's
the
> sum of bits and bytes.  Admittedly, I like the *idea* of driving Formula
One
> cars, but GPL's bolides feel (and act) more like arcade racers than RW
cars.
> I don't like the idea (self-image?) of racing NASCAR's antedeluvian
whales,
> but Papy's Cup cars feel (and act) a lot more like RW cars.  If Papy's
next
> sim was Shifter Karts, and the physics model was a further improvement,
I'd
> drop N2003 like a lead balloon....

Well Papy's Cup cars sure feel like they are heavy pigs of vehicles to
drive - which is probably pretty close to what most of us drive in
comparison to lightweight rear engined race cars.

Personally I find the feel any GPL engined sim the best. Sure it is only a
sim but it fools my brain into feeling the input attributed to "the seat of
pants". Cup cars are cumbersome, heavy beasts, T/A less so and GPL cars
lightweight, powerful machines with 60s tyre technology and the most fun in
RL or sim IMHO.

Cheers
Tony

Ruud Dingeman

I sure miss Papy

by Ruud Dingeman » Thu, 08 Jan 2004 04:38:23


> There is no "feel" of racing classic F1 cars in GPL 'cuz it ain't the real
> world; it's a sim!  

Too true! That's why it's the "feel" of racing classic F1 cars in a SIM!
   ;)  What I meant was giving you the impression of racing back in the
sixties, with matching cars - not the impression of getting in a REAL
car, of course.

Only if you race 'em arcade-like, imho. I don't, I don't even have the
equipment to do so, and haven't noticed myself doing things I basically
couldn't do in a real-world car (apart from going 200 mph and driving
like a nutter, that is). Of course, the degree of accuracy is greater in
modern sims, as it should be ('twould be a sad day for sim development
if it wasn't).

But hey, who knows what the Mod community comes up with in a year or
two. In the meantime, I'd be very happy if the '65 GPL mod appears Real
Soon Now - it should be improved in the accuracy department.

Karts would be nice, but Caterham 7's or Formula Fords would be even
nicer  ;)   I found Super 1 Karting not too bad in the karts 'sim'
department though, some while ago.

What I'd really want is a GPL2 with 1977 cars though!  Or the Grand Prix
Titans mod with the Silberpfeile of the 1930's.  Slurp.

Personally, I'm willing to live with yesterday's top notch physics of
yesterday - if it's more fun and not too far off base  ;)

Regards, Rudy
(GPLRank -21)


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