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GPL - The head thing

jbo..

GPL - The head thing

by jbo.. » Wed, 01 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Good post, Buzz -- I think "the head thing" is what actually separates
the Roberto Morenos from the Paul Traceys in real life.  Both are great
drivers, but guys like Tracey seem to give in to the adrenalin rush,
which often results in broken hardware and unfinished races.

What I do to overcome this (sometimes successfully, usually not) is to
try to imagine that my own hide is on the line, and my own hardware is
at risk.  If you run the risk of damage or injury in real life, you're
going to be a bit more wary near the limit, and a bit more focused
overall.  I drive this way online, too, and I've been playing DTR quite
a bit lately, and it continually amazes me how some folks will bulldoze
their way through to a fast lap with complete disregard for simulated
life, limb, and hardware.  In real life, bonehead moves like that mean
you won't finish the race, and that's what I try to keep in mind,
regardless of whether I'm racing offline or online.

Interestingly, I did a one-day driving school in October for real, and
during my first on-track session, I spent a lot of time reminding
myself that the hardware WAS real, and that my own life was at risk,
just to make sure I didn't laps into the sim racing "head thing" at the
wrong moment.  Once I got myself firmly-grounded, my second on-track
session was MUCH smoother, and I gained ground faster than a lot of
guys after that.

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Dave Henri

GPL - The head thing

by Dave Henri » Wed, 01 Dec 1999 04:00:00


> I really like the idea of driving a track in your mind.  I think most people  will be surprised of how effective it is.

  Yeah but once I took a wrong turn in my mind and I was lost for weeks!
dave henrie
Michael

GPL - The head thing

by Michael » Wed, 01 Dec 1999 04:00:00



> : It's a head thing. You're in front and you decide to do the fastest lap
> : of the race. Why?...Whyyyyy????
> : It's a head thing.
> : Is there a patch for this?

> Red glasses to filter out the red mist?  I do this all the time, usually
> after 40 minutes at Spa.  I always overcook La Source trying to be a hero.
> Dohh.

Funny that. I always overcook the Masta Kink, surely it's possible to
take it flat?

- Michael

Mats Lofkvis

GPL - The head thing

by Mats Lofkvis » Wed, 01 Dec 1999 04:00:00


> Funny that. I always overcook the Masta Kink, surely it's possible to
> take it flat?

I virtually never lift there, and when I'm lucky I can take it
almost without any tire squeel at all. In the f3, that is :-)
Michael Barlo

GPL - The head thing

by Michael Barlo » Wed, 01 Dec 1999 04:00:00



> > Funny that. I always overcook the Masta Kink, surely it's possible to
> > take it flat?

> I virtually never lift there, and when I'm lucky I can take it
> almost without any tire squeel at all. In the f3, that is :-)

        I'm confused on what corner this is.  I always thought, by the way
people have been talking about it, That "Masta" was the right hand
corner that drops down very quickly.  It looks like on the track map in
GPL that that is really "Malmedy".  Then the "Masta" kink is a left and
then right shortly there after.

        With the F3,  There is the Chacane at the bottom of the hill at the
S/F. followed immediately by a right hand turn.  Then there is a small
strait and a left kink and then.. I softly touch the brake and downshift
for Les Combes.  The next time I slow down is for Malmedy (or what I
think is Malmedy) by lifting and downshifting with out touching the
brake.  Stavelots I blip the gas up about 1/4 then back down all within
a 1/4 second.  The At The last hairpin, I'll down shift to second (or
first on the first lap and cold tires).

        In any case.. Is the Masta kink the corner that drops out on you? or is
it just that, relatively, flat left/right?  Maybe I should drive the
course with someone and have him say.. "we are now in the Melmedy turn",
we are now in the Masta kink, we are now crossing the S/F line..."
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Mike Whit

GPL - The head thing

by Mike Whit » Wed, 01 Dec 1999 04:00:00



> > I really like the idea of driving a track in your mind.  I think most

people  will be surprised of how effective it is.

I did the same thing, but since I'm small minded, I was only lost for a
minute or two :)

Mats Lofkvis

GPL - The head thing

by Mats Lofkvis » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00




> > > Funny that. I always overcook the Masta Kink, surely it's possible to
> > > take it flat?

> > I virtually never lift there, and when I'm lucky I can take it
> > almost without any tire squeel at all. In the f3, that is :-)

>    I'm confused on what corner this is.  I always thought, by the way
> people have been talking about it, That "Masta" was the right hand
> corner that drops down very quickly.  It looks like on the track map in
> GPL that that is really "Malmedy".  Then the "Masta" kink is a left and
> then right shortly there after.

The track map is correct, so Masta is the left-right
at the middle of the long straight. Hence the smiley.
Johan Foedere

GPL - The head thing

by Johan Foedere » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00

[SNIP]

Cool a GPL rally version :-). Too bad those cars don't have room for the
co-driver.
I can already image the co-driver at Rouen just before the hairpin
saying : "Long
right two, into left two, into *** white tyres..."

// Johan

Richard G Cleg

GPL - The head thing

by Richard G Cleg » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00

: Cool a GPL rally version :-). Too bad those cars don't have room for the
: co-driver.
: I can already image the co-driver at Rouen just before the hairpin
: saying : "Long
: right two, into left two, into *** white tyres..."

  (Grin) I'm glad it's not just me that habitually uses this line
through the Rouen hairpin.

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Johan Foedere

GPL - The head thing

by Johan Foedere » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Perhaps we should have a poll om that? The top five of most missed
corners in GPL :-)

Here's mine starting with the most missed:
1 Spa - Just a tyre on the grass right after the masta kink and... WHAM!
2 Rouen - The 90 after the long straight.
3 Rouen - The hairpin.
4 Mexico - The hairpin again. I often slide out to just touch the
guardrail.
5 'Ring - The part where you easely get airborn just before that right
hand turn. I sometimes go off on the right, smoothly over fence without
any damage. So there you are with your Ferrari in perfect condition and
no place to get back on the track :-(.

// Johan.



> : Cool a GPL rally version :-). Too bad those cars don't have room for the
> : co-driver.
> : I can already image the co-driver at Rouen just before the hairpin
> : saying : "Long
> : right two, into left two, into *** white tyres..."

>   (Grin) I'm glad it's not just me that habitually uses this line
> through the Rouen hairpin.

> --
> Richard G. Clegg       Only the mind is waving
>     Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group
>       Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York
>     www:  http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Andre Warring

GPL - The head thing

by Andre Warring » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00

For me that would be ALL corners of Brands Hatch.
And sunday I have the IGPLC race there...
back to practice now!

Oh, and the second corner of Kyalami often causes me problems. I often
turn in too late there. Typical.

Andre

On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 16:31:41 +0100, Johan Foederer


>Perhaps we should have a poll om that? The top five of most missed
>corners in GPL :-)

>Here's mine starting with the most missed:
>1 Spa - Just a tyre on the grass right after the masta kink and... WHAM!
>2 Rouen - The 90 after the long straight.
>3 Rouen - The hairpin.
>4 Mexico - The hairpin again. I often slide out to just touch the
>guardrail.
>5 'Ring - The part where you easely get airborn just before that right
>hand turn. I sometimes go off on the right, smoothly over fence without
>any damage. So there you are with your Ferrari in perfect condition and
>no place to get back on the track :-(.

>// Johan.



>> : Cool a GPL rally version :-). Too bad those cars don't have room for the
>> : co-driver.
>> : I can already image the co-driver at Rouen just before the hairpin
>> : saying : "Long
>> : right two, into left two, into *** white tyres..."

>>   (Grin) I'm glad it's not just me that habitually uses this line
>> through the Rouen hairpin.

>> --
>> Richard G. Clegg       Only the mind is waving
>>     Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group
>>       Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York
>>     www:  http://www.racesimcentral.net/

ymenar

GPL - The head thing

by ymenar » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00


It's because we Honda drivers are special ;)

(Who has different lines about everywhere compared to the normal GPL
driver).

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Liutger Franze

GPL - The head thing

by Liutger Franze » Fri, 03 Dec 1999 04:00:00

me too ... but different league: GGPLC ;-)
this track is so damn slippery and I***up the 1st corner
almost always ...

*sigh*

yep. and the sunset bend is also tricky at the entry ...

Lio

Graeme Nas

GPL - The head thing

by Graeme Nas » Fri, 03 Dec 1999 04:00:00

"I let my mind wander, and it never came back" :-)

--
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Uwe Schuerka

GPL - The head thing

by Uwe Schuerka » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00


>Perhaps we should have a poll om that? The top five of most missed
>corners in GPL :-)

Mosport, the downhill left hander after the esses following
S/F. Countless times.

Kyalami, BBQ bend. I hate that corner.

I hate all others, too, but those are the nastiest I can
come up with ;-)

Uwe

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