>Had it not been for her attitude towards me in the past nothing would have
>ever come of this.
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Welcome to the "responsibility" of being a lapped car. Starting in the low
line at the front of the grid is no different in a "restart" than in the
race start. Hold your line - is the responsibility of the
driver........same thing in both instances. Do you skip qualifying and
start at the back of the field always? Of course not......so what's
different? I don't get it.
Remember....being "slow" is only one of several reasons you are a lap down.
How about = you are leading the race, you are the fastest car on the
track.....you pit under green and as you come out of the pits.....a yellow
comes out? That makes you the fastest car on the track....AND, one lap
down.
TP
> >Speaking of lap down cars. Can we have double file restarts enabled.
> >If you get a lap down under single file, you almost have to race back
> >to the line if you have any hope of ever getting a lap back. I also
> >found myself racing much more aggressively under green because I HAD
> >to gain track position on the lead lap cars if I was ever going to
> >work my way back on to the lead lap. With double file, I can come in
> >and get new tires and be assured I will be close to the front of the
> >re-start line (if early on and most are on the lead lap). With fresh
> >tires and starting on the inside, lap down cars will have a much
> >better opportunity to get a lap back.
> Usually, the cars that are a lap down are there for a reason - they're
slower.
> Even if you DO manage to get the jump on the leader he is still faster,
and now
> you're holding him up with 2nd and 3rd place at his heels...
> Personally, I don't like starting next to the leader as a lapped car. I
can't
> keep up enough to TRY to get my lap back, and then I have to alter my
driving
> to let everyone ELSE get by so I'm not holding them up...
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Even if Mitch was simply "sending a bumper horn signal" - he took the risk
of it appearing to be "retaliation" as observed by "race officials" (in this
case, Eldred). Same thing Tony Stewart, Robby Gordon...."claimed" in a
couple NASCAR races. The NASCAR officials didn't buy it.....neither did
Eldred....that's good. And, with online sim racing, warp factors....etc.,
what Mitch did took a considerable risk of knocking the other driver out of
the race...or sustaining serious damage. How was the "collision damage
code" in N2K2 supposed to know..."Mitch was just kidding?"
Message to Mitch:
1. Don't send me personal email about this......ever again.
2. Shut the *** up about it and consider yourself lucky its only a "one
race" suspension. Had I been Eldred....you would be gone permanently from
RASCAR races.
3. Learning to control you emotions in the race car, during the race.....is
part of the "learning process" of becoming a veteran sim driver. You can
"blow steam" after the race (privately). Never "blow steam" after a race,
publicly. Most league admins will consider that the same as "retaliation"
during the race and suspend your ass, just the same! NASCAR does the same
thing.....so this isn't something that should come as a surprise to you,
huh?
Regards,
Tom
> > Just My Two Cents:
> > 1. I think the analysis was a fair judgment......of the best "facts"
> > available (the server's replay).....by the best person available to make
> the
> > judgment call.
> > 2. "Retaliation" is unacceptable in all forms......a one-race
suspension
> is
> > very lenient, IMHO.
> > 3. "No double-file restarts" and "no racing back to the yellow" are
> special
> > rules designed to "assist" newbies? What assistance does it provide
> except
> > prevent them from learning how to race (under yellow or in realistic
> restart
> > situations) properly. Each of these "training wheel rules" just
> introduces
> > a new set of problems to deal with.....it doesn't prevent problems where
> > newbies are concerned (never has, never will). In my opinion, and in
> > respect for how difficult learning to race "NASCAR-style" is for new sim
> > drivers, there should **not** be any "training wheel" rules adopted for
> > RASCAR races. There's no points championship, the "results" of the race
> are
> > not important. "Learning".....is the only importance....and having fun
> with
> > some friends, while doing so......is the goal. So, why the special
rules
> > for newbies? I think the only thing the "special rules" accomplish is
to
> > slow their learning curve.
> > 5. Eldred, you do not ever have to apologize for "making a ruling" or
> doing
> > the job necessary to admin the RASCAR races. Thank you.......for
standing
> > up and taking the heat as you have done for many weeks now.
> > Regards,
> > Tom
> > > Since the drivers who were involved didn't have a problem with airing
> > their
> > > argument/disagreements here, I don't see anything wrong with also
airing
> > the
> > > resolution:
> > > Lap 30 - yellow flag comes out. As the drivers come around to take
the
> > yellow,
> > > Mitch has to stand on the brakes to avoid hitting Grubbat. John does
> the
> > same
> > > to avoid hitting Mitch. I don't think there was any contact, but
Mitch
> > dropped
> > > to the flat par of the track and slowed way down. John slowed, but
not
> as
> > > much, so he crossed the line first. During that caution, Mitch punted
> > John a
> > > couple of times to show his displeasure at John taking the spot. No
> > damage,
> > > except to the tempers of each driver. On the restart, John drifted
high
> > in T1,
> > > Mitch went to make the pass. They touched slightly, not enough to
cause
> a
> > > problem, but warp and GPL's physics threw John into the wall. Each
> driver
> > is
> > > sure that the other one intentionally wrecked, but I really don't see
it
> > that
> > > way. I don't see it being *either's* fault. OOTRD...
> > > Lap 153 - Grubbat drifts high, Mitch goes to pass low. Grub's car
> warped
> > out
> > > to the wall, then back into Mitch, the crashes into the wall. Again,
no
> > fault
> > > either way - OOTRD.
> > > The thing I *don't* understand it Mitch's anger at losing the spot
under
> > > yellow. This was on lap 30 of a 200 lap race. Personally, I don't
see
> > the big
> > > deal. When you're dodging cars during a yellow, you're most likely
not
> > worried
> > > about what position you're in. I lost some spots that way, and I
gained
> > some
> > > spots that way. Also, Mitch was off the track, and slowed down more
than
> > would
> > > be expected. John didn't really RACE to take the spot, he just kept
> going
> > at
> > > about the same speed.
> > > I consider Mitch to be a good driver, I don't think the incidents were
> his
> > > 'fault', and I wouldn't be worried going door-to-door with him at any
> > track.
> > > The incidents themselves wouldn't even have been a problem in my
> opinion.
> > Shit
> > > happens, and Bristol is known for that kind of thing. Mitch's
tappping
> > John's
> > > car under yellow seems unsportsmanlike to me, and retaliatory.
Comments
> > > made(by both drivers) during those laps probably carried over to the
> rest
> > of
> > > the race, and may have clouded later incidents.
> > > Ruling - 1 race suspension for Mitch. He is welcome to join again
after
> > next
> > > week's race.
> > > Yeah, I know - people(on either side) may not be happy. But, I think
> > that's
> > > the fairest option I have. I'm not getting paid for this, and I do
the
> > best I
> > > can. So be it... :-(
> > > Eldred
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Which reminds me,
If we don't have double file restarts that give people a chance to get a lap back and hopefully improve their finishing position, then why even have yellows?
fwiw
I disagree that people who get down a lap are only there because they are slower.
1) You could get booted while in the lead
2) You could be up front, short pit during a long green flag run (like that happens in RASCAR lol) and out comes a caution
3) You could get punted while running upfront, whether on purpose or by accident
For guys who are perennial backmarkers, sure who minds that they always restart in the back. But if you going to automatically determine someones finish in the middle of the race with single file restarts then just turn off the cautions for those who wreck each other a lot less.
Or at least have a no passing in turn one rule.
justmy .02
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Usually, the cars that are a lap down are there for a reason - they're slower.
Even if you DO manage to get the jump on the leader he is still faster, and now
you're holding him up with 2nd and 3rd place at his heels...
David G Fisher
> > Jeez guys, give it up. It's a GAME.
> Although I agree wholeheartedly with the spirit of your post and the point
> you are making, I must propose an alternate theory with regards to what
> online racing is.
> Rather than being merely a game, perhaps it is an *escape from this
> reality*. What if, by immersing yourself in your favorite sim, you are
> transported to *a different dimension*. Mathematical models indicate that
> our universe could have many more dimensions than was previously thought.
It
> could be argued that sim racing has opened a door to one of these
> dimensions.
> Perhaps we not viewing a disagreement over a game, but a universe much
> younger than the one we presently know. Maybe what we are seeing here is
the
> incredible release of energy one would expect to see when matter and
> antimatter meet.
> Gentlemen, we may very well have inadvertently stumbled upon the one thing
> man has wondered about since he first raised his eyes toward the night sky
.
> . . . the beginning of time.
> <sigh> Where the hell is Stephen Hawkings when you really need him.....
> >Speaking of lap down cars. Can we have double file restarts enabled.
> >If you get a lap down under single file, you almost have to race back
> >to the line if you have any hope of ever getting a lap back. I also
> >found myself racing much more aggressively under green because I HAD
> >to gain track position on the lead lap cars if I was ever going to
> >work my way back on to the lead lap. With double file, I can come in
> >and get new tires and be assured I will be close to the front of the
> >re-start line (if early on and most are on the lead lap). With fresh
> >tires and starting on the inside, lap down cars will have a much
> >better opportunity to get a lap back.
> Usually, the cars that are a lap down are there for a reason - they're slower.
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>Welcome to the "responsibility" of being a lapped car. Starting in the low
>line at the front of the grid is no different in a "restart" than in the
>race start. Hold your line - is the responsibility of the
>driver........same thing in both instances. Do you skip qualifying and
>start at the back of the field always? Of course not......so what's
>different? I don't get it.
That's why I didn't say lapped cars ARE there for a reason - I said
'usually'...<g>
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Or like at Bristol last week I got a BF and went two laps down. With
fresh tires and the inside line I probably could have gotten ahead of
an stayed ahead of the leader. Or at Indy where I DISCO'd but was
able to rejoin only down 2 or 3 laps. Of course I was trying to race
Grandy to get my laps back there and even with newer tires it was
pointless :).
Brian Oster
>> >Speaking of lap down cars. Can we have double file restarts enabled.
>> >If you get a lap down under single file, you almost have to race back
>> >to the line if you have any hope of ever getting a lap back. I also
>> >found myself racing much more aggressively under green because I HAD
>> >to gain track position on the lead lap cars if I was ever going to
>> >work my way back on to the lead lap. With double file, I can come in
>> >and get new tires and be assured I will be close to the front of the
>> >re-start line (if early on and most are on the lead lap). With fresh
>> >tires and starting on the inside, lap down cars will have a much
>> >better opportunity to get a lap back.
>> Usually, the cars that are a lap down are there for a reason - they're
>slower.
>> Even if you DO manage to get the jump on the leader he is still faster,
>and now
>> you're holding him up with 2nd and 3rd place at his heels...
>> Personally, I don't like starting next to the leader as a lapped car. I
>can't
>> keep up enough to TRY to get my lap back, and then I have to alter my
>driving
>> to let everyone ELSE get by so I'm not holding them up...
>> Eldred
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