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Jaques Villeneuve is a greedy idiot!

David Powel

Jaques Villeneuve is a greedy idiot!

by David Powel » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 01:57:30

ordinary?

He should have gone to F1, as racing bunch of ermmm, well, best not say what
I really feel :) over the pond would have proved nothing of Jacques to the
remainder of the world not attached to the Northern share of the American
continent....


Brad Larocqu

Jaques Villeneuve is a greedy idiot!

by Brad Larocqu » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 01:49:33

The guy is a former CART champion who threatened to com back to North
America if the FIA took steps to slow down the cars. Now he has one of
the slowest cars on the grid and has been offered a chance to race in
CART "one last time". As a Canadian I would love to see him in CART
again (where he should have stayed imho). But now here he is only
worrying about his wallet, and its not like he's poor. Gerry Forsythe
even appaerently offered him $50 million to run in his Reynards, and
Craig Pollack rejected it right away (can Jacques speak for himself?).
Its not like his F1 contract is null and void if he leaves for a year.
BAR said they'd just defer it for one year, so the money is still there.
     Screw Monaco Jacques. It's time to move back to Quebec and learn
what it's like to be an ordinary person again.
Richard Bellavanc

Jaques Villeneuve is a greedy idiot!

by Richard Bellavanc » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 03:08:10


> The guy is a former CART champion who threatened to com back to North
> America if the FIA took steps to slow down the cars. Now he has one of
> the slowest cars on the grid and has been offered a chance to race in
> CART "one last time".

Well, keep in mind that the contract he was offered also included 2
more years at BAR.  Maybe he just doesn't want to re-sign for those
2 years in advance ?

I know I wouldn't.

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Brad Larocqu

Jaques Villeneuve is a greedy idiot!

by Brad Larocqu » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 03:14:15

But what is he proving now? He hasn't won a race since his championship
year. He's been trying to develop the BAR chassis with little result for
a fourth year team. Even the Stewart team saw more progress before
selling to Ford/Jaguar. BAR even admits it would be good for him to go
somewhere else for a year so they can put the money they spend on his
contract into development.

David Powell

> ordinary?

> He should have gone to F1, as racing bunch of ermmm, well, best not say what
> I really feel :) over the pond would have proved nothing of Jacques to the
> remainder of the world not attached to the Northern share of the American
> continent....



>>The guy is a former CART champion who threatened to com back to North
>>America if the FIA took steps to slow down the cars. Now he has one of
>>the slowest cars on the grid and has been offered a chance to race in
>>CART "one last time". As a Canadian I would love to see him in CART
>>again (where he should have stayed imho). But now here he is only
>>worrying about his wallet, and its not like he's poor. Gerry Forsythe
>>even appaerently offered him $50 million to run in his Reynards, and
>>Craig Pollack rejected it right away (can Jacques speak for himself?).
>>Its not like his F1 contract is null and void if he leaves for a year.
>>BAR said they'd just defer it for one year, so the money is still there.
>>    ***Monaco Jacques. It's time to move back to Quebec and learn
>>what it's like to be an ordinary person again.

David Powel

Jaques Villeneuve is a greedy idiot!

by David Powel » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 03:27:10

nothing atm hes a washup, he should retire, watching the last GP's qually
session said all it needed to me about his ability to setup a car and he
overall focus on F1 and making the most of his weekend.....

but that wasnt the case in 97.98.99 period, now tell me hes there for than
his 20mill a year pay cheque?


> But what is he proving now? He hasn't won a race since his championship
> year. He's been trying to develop the BAR chassis with little result for
> a fourth year team. Even the Stewart team saw more progress before
> selling to Ford/Jaguar. BAR even admits it would be good for him to go
> somewhere else for a year so they can put the money they spend on his
> contract into development.

> David Powell

> > ordinary?

> > He should have gone to F1, as racing bunch of ermmm, well, best not say
what
> > I really feel :) over the pond would have proved nothing of Jacques to
the
> > remainder of the world not attached to the Northern share of the
American
> > continent....



> >>The guy is a former CART champion who threatened to com back to North
> >>America if the FIA took steps to slow down the cars. Now he has one of
> >>the slowest cars on the grid and has been offered a chance to race in
> >>CART "one last time". As a Canadian I would love to see him in CART
> >>again (where he should have stayed imho). But now here he is only
> >>worrying about his wallet, and its not like he's poor. Gerry Forsythe
> >>even appaerently offered him $50 million to run in his Reynards, and
> >>Craig Pollack rejected it right away (can Jacques speak for himself?).
> >>Its not like his F1 contract is null and void if he leaves for a year.
> >>BAR said they'd just defer it for one year, so the money is still there.
> >>    ***Monaco Jacques. It's time to move back to Quebec and learn
> >>what it's like to be an ordinary person again.

David Powel

Jaques Villeneuve is a greedy idiot!

by David Powel » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 03:28:30

p.s didnt know your name was David Powell.....<G>


> But what is he proving now? He hasn't won a race since his championship
> year. He's been trying to develop the BAR chassis with little result for
> a fourth year team. Even the Stewart team saw more progress before
> selling to Ford/Jaguar. BAR even admits it would be good for him to go
> somewhere else for a year so they can put the money they spend on his
> contract into development.

> David Powell

> > ordinary?

> > He should have gone to F1, as racing bunch of ermmm, well, best not say
what
> > I really feel :) over the pond would have proved nothing of Jacques to
the
> > remainder of the world not attached to the Northern share of the
American
> > continent....



> >>The guy is a former CART champion who threatened to com back to North
> >>America if the FIA took steps to slow down the cars. Now he has one of
> >>the slowest cars on the grid and has been offered a chance to race in
> >>CART "one last time". As a Canadian I would love to see him in CART
> >>again (where he should have stayed imho). But now here he is only
> >>worrying about his wallet, and its not like he's poor. Gerry Forsythe
> >>even appaerently offered him $50 million to run in his Reynards, and
> >>Craig Pollack rejected it right away (can Jacques speak for himself?).
> >>Its not like his F1 contract is null and void if he leaves for a year.
> >>BAR said they'd just defer it for one year, so the money is still there.
> >>    ***Monaco Jacques. It's time to move back to Quebec and learn
> >>what it's like to be an ordinary person again.

Jesse Blac

Jaques Villeneuve is a greedy idiot!

by Jesse Blac » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 03:50:12

Maybe JV enjoys road courses, massive braking forces, nimble handling cars,
or racing against some of the best talent in the world (no matter how
unbalanced the cars are) or some combination of those.  Maybe going to CART
to him is like giving up F1 to go race in the IRL, and many people would say
this is true.  Would the situation be the same if an IRL team were offering
him that money?  What about Nascar, TransAm, or ALMS?

Sure it would be great to be on the fastest team in F1.  Then again, maybe
BAR will be one of the fastest teams in years to come.  Many teams come and
go from the top ranks.

Perhaps it *is* all about money for him.  At least he isn't going on strike
to keep his paycheck.  And while I am on the subject of Baseball.  Should a
baseball player being paid lots of money on a losing team take an offer to
join a winning team for less money?  What if that winning team was in a
Japanese baseball league?

There are many ways that you can look at this situation.  I say let him make
his own decisions and earn his big bucks.

JB

Internet Use

Jaques Villeneuve is a greedy idiot!

by Internet Use » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:13:35


> Gerry Forsythe even apparently offered him $50 million to run in his

 > Reynards, and Craig Pollack rejected it right away (can Jacques speak
 > for himself?).

He's greedy because he turned down a $50 million contract?  I need to go
find my dictionary.  Apparently I've been misusing the term 'greedy' for
the past 35 years.

ymenar

Jaques Villeneuve is a greedy idiot!

by ymenar » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:55:02


> Now he has one of  the slowest cars on the grid and has been offered a
chance to race in
> CART "one last time".

Sorry if you take the step backwards, you'll never get the step forward.
Especially in F1, with it's prestige and the glamour of it (think
sponsorship, think image, think $).  The WORSE wheel in Formula One is
better then the best wheel of anything else in the world.

Stop as a "fan" to be greedy yourself wanting him in a different series
because you think he's wasting his time with BAR.  He knows quite more then
any of us what he wants in life, especially in terms of what he wants for
his motorsport career. ;)

Oh, I also really don't think CART is the place to go at the moment.  It's
probably the WORSE place to go at this moment in motorsports.  There is
nothing safe there. ;(

78$ millions for 3 years, which is already LESS then what he makes.  Another
reason to say "no", obliously.  Jacques was never a "worker's racer".  His
father was, he is not.  He is... different (in a good and bad way, you could
easily say).

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Brad Larocqu

Jaques Villeneuve is a greedy idiot!

by Brad Larocqu » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:13:03

I'll score you the one about being a greedy fan, wanting to see him in a
different series. As for the comment from "Internet User" above yours,
the $50 million contract was rejected because it wasn't enough! So to me
that is greedy.

I think what irritates me the most is that I would have loved to see
Villeneuve return to CART for years now, and that he himself threatened
to do just that if the FIA slowed F1 cars. Villeneuve has always been a
driver who disliked all the technological ***that are put in F1 cars.
Hell I remember reading once a couple years ago he took and old '60's
era F1 car for a spin (I forget which track) and even wore an open faced
helmet because to him anything else would be blasphemous. Granted CART
cars have traction control, and I don't know what other gadgets they
have, but they are nowhere near as advanced as F1 cars.

As for CART not being the place to be at the moment, thats just like
small market NHL (or any other team sport) franchises. How can they be
any good if the s0-called stars won't go there and give them someone to
build a team (or racing series for that matter) around. So much for
racing not being like all the other sports I guess.



>>Now he has one of  the slowest cars on the grid and has been offered a

> chance to race in

>>CART "one last time".

> Sorry if you take the step backwards, you'll never get the step forward.
> Especially in F1, with it's prestige and the glamour of it (think
> sponsorship, think image, think $).  The WORSE wheel in Formula One is
> better then the best wheel of anything else in the world.

> Stop as a "fan" to be greedy yourself wanting him in a different series
> because you think he's wasting his time with BAR.  He knows quite more then
> any of us what he wants in life, especially in terms of what he wants for
> his motorsport career. ;)

> Oh, I also really don't think CART is the place to go at the moment.  It's
> probably the WORSE place to go at this moment in motorsports.  There is
> nothing safe there. ;(

>>Gerry Forsythe
>>even appaerently offered him $50 million to run in his Reynards, and
>>Craig Pollack rejected it right away (can Jacques speak for himself?).

> 78$ millions for 3 years, which is already LESS then what he makes.  Another
> reason to say "no", obliously.  Jacques was never a "worker's racer".  His
> father was, he is not.  He is... different (in a good and bad way, you could
> easily say).

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b

Jaques Villeneuve is a greedy idiot!

by b » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:39:26

francois...
we've never been on opposite sides but i must respond to your 'worst
in F1....." comment. please dont exagerate. your argument as such
would  include alex yoong.
do you mean you consider him better than ??? christiano de matta? or
gil de ferran? helio castro neves?

i didnt think so. but thats ok, it was in the heat of the moment,
right? and as for Jaques...... i think he WANTS to be a baseball
player Jesse~

bo

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:55:02 -0400, "ymenard"


>Sorry if you take the step backwards, you'll never get the step forward.
>Especially in F1, with it's prestige and the glamour of it (think
>sponsorship, think image, think $).  The WORSE wheel in Formula One is
>better then the best wheel of anything else in the world.

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Jan Verschuere

Jaques Villeneuve is a greedy idiot!

by Jan Verschuere » Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:28:16

He's talking about the quality of the team and the car and the prestige of
the series, not the drivers. According to Frank's argument it's better for
Young to be nr.2 at Minardi than nr. 1 with Chip Ganassi.

The best place for Young is, of course, a golf buggy, but that's beside the
point. ;-)

Jan.
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BFG

Jaques Villeneuve is a greedy idiot!

by BFG » Sat, 31 Aug 2002 06:22:24

Slightly OT. But the fact that Villeneuve has done nothing with BAR shows
the difference between a good driver and great ones like Schumacher, Prost,
Senna, et al. When Schumacher joined  Ferrari they were just also rans
living off their history (Just as Prost did all those years ago). These
great drivers were able to  turn the team into champsionship contenders and
in Schumachers case champions. (Look what happened to Beneton after
Schumacher left, Senna left Mclaren, etc).

Villeneuve is a good driver making more money than he should. In anycase why
go back to the US series where they've never heard of safety?


ymenar

Jaques Villeneuve is a greedy idiot!

by ymenar » Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:28:26


> I'll score you the one about being a greedy fan, wanting to see him in a
> different series.

Yeah well I'm one of those also. I feel his talent wasted, but it's his
decision and in long-term I can see.  We all would want him to 1) perform
and 2) be in a good team.  But there's only what, 4-6 seats in F1 (hence, in
the world) like that? ;)

That's the false thing.  I just saw Jacques in a live interview.  He said he
was never approached, 'cause it he would have had, he would actually have
thought about the offer as it's something that rarely happen.

That's good to know.  ;)

The interview was excellent, as always with Tortora (an old friend of his
father Gilles).

He did a nice comment (paraphrasing) "I watched the CART race in Montreal
and I saw almost no passing.   I see no difference now between CART and F1.
So why go down a step?".

He was especially saying that such offer would interest him "if" and only
"if" there was an clause that would absolutely give him an F1 wheel, that
would guarantee him a wheel the next year in F1.

Jacques also talked about this, but also affirmed that other people say the
same about F1 these days, that it's not auto-sufficient anymore.

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ymenar

Jaques Villeneuve is a greedy idiot!

by ymenar » Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:30:06


> we've never been on opposite sides but i must respond to your 'worst
> in F1....." comment. please dont exagerate. your argument as such
> would  include alex yoong.
> do you mean you consider him better than ??? christiano de matta? or
> gil de ferran? helio castro neves?

Read again ;)   I didn't say better or worse drivers, I was talking about
being there, you know, being behind the wheel of a Formula One.  I should
have said the "worst seat in F1 is still better then the best CART seat",
especially going into the 2003 season and all the conflicts of IRL/CART
still going on.

LOL?

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