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NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

The Other Larr

NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

by The Other Larr » Sat, 15 Dec 2001 03:11:17

It explicity says PC, and even includes their little mouse symbol indicating
PC.

Whatever it is, it ain't console.

Interesting...

-Larry


> anyone care to comment about this ?  An expansion pack or what? I
> wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I can
> dream...........

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Dave Henri

NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

by Dave Henri » Sat, 15 Dec 2001 03:19:52

"John DiFool">      Yeah-I want to see these puppies fly apart on impact!
  I wouldn't be suprised if that kind of damage has been limited by Nascar.
Way back in ICR1, Papyrus had all sorts of body parts, wings, tires bouncing
and flying off in collisions.  But with the death/injuries of several fans
from flying tires, I just don't think Nascar would be too willing to have
that part of racing exposed.
dave henrie

The Other Larr

NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

by The Other Larr » Sat, 15 Dec 2001 03:16:37

$50 for a Season Pack?

-Larry


> Right you are :)  MS must have paid to have their XBOX tab all lit up like
> that.
> The title is "NASCAR RACING 2002 SEASON PC"
> so it sounds like a season pack for N4 and not N5



> > well, it does say for the PC ...



> > > I read somewhere that Papy are finally going to venture into the
console
> > > arena.  It makes sense too since X-Box and N4 are using DX8.  This may
> not
> > > be a Papy thing though, it just says Sierra.


> > > > anyone care to comment about this ?  An expansion pack or what? I
> > > > wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I
can
> > > > dream...........

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(Rich8

NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

by (Rich8 » Sat, 15 Dec 2001 04:15:01

nope,,  $50 for the latest patch, hahhaha   :rolleyes:

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:16:37 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)"


>$50 for a Season Pack?

>-Larry



>> Right you are :)  MS must have paid to have their XBOX tab all lit up like
>> that.
>> The title is "NASCAR RACING 2002 SEASON PC"
>> so it sounds like a season pack for N4 and not N5



>> > well, it does say for the PC ...



>> > > I read somewhere that Papy are finally going to venture into the
>console
>> > > arena.  It makes sense too since X-Box and N4 are using DX8.  This may
>> not
>> > > be a Papy thing though, it just says Sierra.


>> > > > anyone care to comment about this ?  An expansion pack or what? I
>> > > > wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I
>can
>> > > > dream...........

>http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/product.asp?pf_id=2150...
>> > > sid=N1G42U72DS2J9LJRC52FMG2LKLPQ3GUC&ref=1&PromoCode=&site=&siteID=

John Pancoas

NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

by John Pancoas » Sat, 15 Dec 2001 04:58:40

  Yeah, that was one, of many, reasons Hasbro said Heat didn't have yellows.
Personally, thought it was a cop out then and now.
  Could be mistaken though, who knows.

-John


John Pancoas

NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

by John Pancoas » Sat, 15 Dec 2001 04:59:51

  Exactly.  And you bet it affected the race; he shouldn't have even
finished, let alone won.

-John



> And this is REALISTIC Damage modeling in a supposed racing "simulation".
> ;)

> Scott
> PA-Scott



> >   So true :)  Had a league race Monday night at Watkins Glen.  40%,
> > realistic damage, sim mode, etc.  Leader is behind two side by side
slower
> > cars going down the frontstretch.

> >   One of the slower cars to early going into T1R, and the leader hits
him
> > from behind just past the line.  Slower car gets airborne, and stays in
> the
> > air, ALL the way until he lands in/by the sand trap in T1R.
> >   Leader had hit him so hard, that his front clip is destroyed, and the
> > force puts the car on it's rear end vertically like a rocket, destroying
> the
> > rear clip.  IOW, car rocked back and forth like a see-saw, lol.

> >   No big deal.  Leader pits, repairs made, and he goes on to win the
race
> > anyway.

> >   Should of had an undriveable car.  Oh well, at least the slower car
> didn't
> > get airborne from a 10-20 mph hit for a change :)

> > -John



> > > N2.5 had a better damage model than N4.     ;)

> > > At least there will be new tracks to test "hang time" on.

> > > Scott
> > > PA-Scott



> > > > I think you are "right on" there, Dave.  That jives with us being
> > > contacted
> > > > by Papy a few months back to provide the new specs on the WC
> Chute...and
> > > the
> > > > track TSO (terracing and removal of foot bridges, etc.)
changes....for
> > > what
> > > > they called, "N5" (they said it was a working title).  We laughed
and
> > told
> > > > them we'd just send them the new track in N3.....since that's what
we
> > used
> > > > to design the current WC Chute......they didn't think that was
funny.

> > > > Tom



> > > > >   The Febuary release date jibes with the French Sierra site that
> had
> > > > Nascar
> > > > > 5 being released early in the year and GPL 72 in the Fall.  I
would
> > > > suspect
> > > > > that Papyrus is coding both PC & Console and that it will be
> published

> > > and
> > > > > marketed under the Sierra name on the consoles.
> > > > > (just my guess...)
> > > > >   And it DOES say 2002 season, which implies a minor update at
best.
> > > > > Methinks you won't see much different from N4 except the
car/driver
> > > > changes
> > > > > for the new season...and most likely the new tracks that didn't
make
> > it
> > > in
> > > > > N4.
> > > > > dave henrie


> > message

> > > > > > well, it does say for the PC ...



> > > > > > > I read somewhere that Papy are finally going to venture into
the
> > > > console
> > > > > > > arena.  It makes sense too since X-Box and N4 are using DX8.
> This
> > > may
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > be a Papy thing though, it just says Sierra.



> > > > > > > > anyone care to comment about this ?  An expansion pack or
> what?
> > I
> > > > > > > > wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I
> guess
> > I
> > > > can
> > > > > > > > dream...........

http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/product.asp?pf_id=2150...

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(Rich8

NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

by (Rich8 » Sat, 15 Dec 2001 06:07:51

 I heard Sierra'Papy's next project is a riding lawnmower sim using a
modified GPL engine... Full 6 degrees of grass physics, mower blade
thickness and sharpness options, terrain deforming ala Red Faction.
Also to include variations in seasons, Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter.

The Fall/Winter sessons will include (because of the lull in lawnmower
season) couch potato championships, cable T.V. channel switching
challenges (for all you twitch finger channel changers)

They also plan an add on pack with grass variations and riding mower
mods, such as: body kits, coffee can (fart) mufflers, performance
inhancement graphics and enhanced 3D grass A.I. and for the first time
fire !!

Yes indeed Sierra/Papy has finally topped itself...but if I can't flip
the mower I ain't buying it,, do you hear that Sierra ?

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:11:17 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)"


>It explicity says PC, and even includes their little mouse symbol indicating
>PC.

>Whatever it is, it ain't console.

>Interesting...

>-Larry


>> anyone care to comment about this ?  An expansion pack or what? I
>> wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I can
>> dream...........

>http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/product.asp?pf_id=2150...
>sid=N1G42U72DS2J9LJRC52FMG2LKLPQ3GUC&ref=1&PromoCode=&site=&siteID=

Scott B. Huste

NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

by Scott B. Huste » Sat, 15 Dec 2001 06:25:05

Yet they let the cars get airborne in 20mph collisions and fly through the
air?  =)

--
Scott B. Husted
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.Husted.cc


It's Me

NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

by It's Me » Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:02:49

I wonder if there will be a one lap penalty for accidentally mowing
over the neighbors cat?

> I heard Sierra'Papy's next project is a riding lawnmower sim using a
>modified GPL engine... Full 6 degrees of grass physics, mower blade
>thickness and sharpness options, terrain deforming ala Red Faction.
>Also to include variations in seasons, Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter.

>The Fall/Winter sessons will include (because of the lull in lawnmower
>season) couch potato championships, cable T.V. channel switching
>challenges (for all you twitch finger channel changers)

>They also plan an add on pack with grass variations and riding mower
>mods, such as: body kits, coffee can (fart) mufflers, performance
>inhancement graphics and enhanced 3D grass A.I. and for the first time
>fire !!

>Yes indeed Sierra/Papy has finally topped itself...but if I can't flip
>the mower I ain't buying it,, do you hear that Sierra ?

>On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:11:17 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)"

>>It explicity says PC, and even includes their little mouse symbol indicating
>>PC.

>>Whatever it is, it ain't console.

>>Interesting...

>>-Larry


>>> anyone care to comment about this ?  An expansion pack or what? I
>>> wonder if the A.I. will be better? hahahhahha,,, oh well I guess I can
>>> dream...........

>>http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/product.asp?pf_id=2150...
>>sid=N1G42U72DS2J9LJRC52FMG2LKLPQ3GUC&ref=1&PromoCode=&site=&siteID=

Tom Olive

NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

by Tom Olive » Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:56:42

They can show no visible dent on the car anywhere for all I care. Just make
sure that car is out of the race or severely off the pace.

Tom


Joe Marque

NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

by Joe Marque » Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:57:34

Penalty?  It's an automatic win. ;0)

--
Joe Marques


> I wonder if there will be a one lap penalty for accidentally mowing
> over the neighbors cat?



John Pancoas

NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

by John Pancoas » Sun, 16 Dec 2001 00:12:10

  Good point.

-John


The Other Larr

NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

by The Other Larr » Sun, 16 Dec 2001 03:18:32

We can have a freakin' steering wheel that practically yanks your arm out
pulling to the left, in the name of realism, but we can't have a fender fall
off.  Oh, no... That would be unacceptable!

This "you can't show damage" thing has always irritated me...  It's come up
in other racing sims before.

-Larry


Eldre

NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

by Eldre » Sun, 16 Dec 2001 05:49:25



>Penalty?  It's an automatic win. ;0)

>--
>Joe Marques



>> I wonder if there will be a one lap penalty for accidentally mowing
>> over the neighbors cat?

Don't let Goy hear you say that...<g>

Eldred
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Dave Henri

NASCAR 2002 by Sierra ??????

by Dave Henri » Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:55:43

   I wasn't saying they wouldn't show ANY damage...just stuff like flying
wheels, at best you may see it slither away on the ground, but I would think
Nascar would prefer all sims to only ding fenders not lose wheels or
anything else that might be considered a missle.
dave henrie


> We can have a freakin' steering wheel that practically yanks your arm out
> pulling to the left, in the name of realism, but we can't have a fender
fall
> off.  Oh, no... That would be unacceptable!

> This "you can't show damage" thing has always irritated me...  It's come
up
> in other racing sims before.

> -Larry



> > "John DiFool">      Yeah-I want to see these puppies fly apart on
impact!
> > > You rarely see the tires come off and start bouncing around
> > > even...

> > >     John DiFool
> >   I wouldn't be suprised if that kind of damage has been limited by
> Nascar.
> > Way back in ICR1, Papyrus had all sorts of body parts, wings, tires
> bouncing
> > and flying off in collisions.  But with the death/injuries of several
fans
> > from flying tires, I just don't think Nascar would be too willing to
have
> > that part of racing exposed.
> > dave henrie


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