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Yes, of course.

My point was though.......
J. Villenuve obviuosly finds driving a modern day F1 car (fairly) easy.
He has makes a switch to a 1960's car and has difficulty driving it at all.

Thats the same for us, we drive things like GP2 and making the switch to GPL
is very hard because it is easier to drive GP2.
It is the same situation now that we switch from GPL to F1 2000.
Some people seem to remember when they switched to GPL, very difficult, but
gradually learned to be fast. Now they jump into F1 2000 and in a week they
are capable of decent lap times.

This can be mistaken for when you switch from GP2 on the PC to F1'99 on the
Playstation, give it 10 laps and your ready to set the AI to 100% and still
win the WC in F1'99. Its so easy, its arcade.

My point is that peole are confusing difficulty with realism, since sims
like F1 2000 seem so much easier to adjust to after GPL, some people seem to
have the feeling it is arcade-ish (or at least not too realistic) which I
must totally disagree with.

Isn't that what I was trying to explain?

Remco

Of course diffuculty need not necessarily mean realism but in
the case of GPL it is the most realistic racing sim yet
programmed.  Okay it takes time to get the hang of but all the
drivers in Formula One today spent many years in lower formulae
learning the ropes.

I was at Brands Hatch in 1985 to see Johnny Herbert win the
Formula Ford Festival, it was 10 years before he won his first
GP.  This has been the case with many of the top drivers, you
don't just get in a GP car and win and any simulator that
allowed you to do this wouldn't be a simulator would it now?

Chris

P.S.  Herbert won the 1985 FF Festival after starting the first
heat in last place, he worked his way into the top half to go
through to the quarter finals and in the quarter and semi-finals
worked his way up the order.  Second & Third in the final were
the late Roland Ratzenberger and some bloke named Damon Hill.

I don't know, for sure driving with automatic gears it is very much
forgiving. But thats an aid, of course its forgiving.

I don't know if you are refering to it with or without manual gears. With
manual gears its not so easy. Try taking off from a stand still.
Accelerating from 1st-2nd gear around a bend (i.e. Silverstone). It ain't an
easy, I can tell you that.
Same goes for downshifting too early, not as *** you as RS2 but it can
upset you. I found a funny thing today, get teh car up to 7th gear and just
drop to 1st, the cars doesn't stop revving, it just keeps going, you'll
probably crash and if you have invincibility on you'll probably do infinite
donuts.....kinda cool:-)

Anyhoo, it may not be perfect , but its close enough for comfort.

Should I add how in GPL you can drive manual gear without using the clutch?
Infact not using it makes you faster IMO. Thats flawed but its close enough
for most:-)

Hi Mike,
Seems that not only do we both have good taste in music, but also we
both have good taste in sims.. :)
I was also very disappointed with F1 2K and quite frankly, unless they
practically re-build the whole damn thing, it will never be any more
than a hot-lapper's toy.

Cheers,
Ron

Go and try it :))))).Youll find it a ***..one millemetre to much throttle
on no "opposite help" buddy your GONE!!

Dave P

I'm sorry but I perfectly understand Crammond when he thinks this is
low priority stuff......

JoH

I would like it if you could damage the engine this way...

Since it never was intended that you should use the clutch for
gearchanges, I can't see it as a fault...

Remco

I have invicibility on at the time, not sure if you can, AFAIK there is
engine damage, what else would cause it?

Well if it wasn't that makes GPL *VERY* flawed.

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Seriously? I thought the real drivers DID use the clutch to shift, not
nowadays but definitely ack in the '60's.
And besides the fact that if you shift up in GPL without the clutch it gives
a *** kick back which it doesn't without the clutch.

I could be wrong but I thought there was a thread on this a while back!?!

Eldred
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