rec.autos.simulators

Vintook

Phsyics wise that is. GPL seems to deal with frame-rates a little better,
but inmy case its only a little. I ahve a medium spec PC I suppose you'd
call it nowadays and like I said, GPLis only marginally ahead, F1 2000 at
times provides better FPS at the start of races.

Maybe I'm wrong but what gives GPL the edge in a lot of peoples minds is
that fact that it is so difficult and hard to master. Difficulty does make a
mroe realistic sim.

When J./ Villeneive drove the Brabham around  Monza last year, he could
barely drive it, yet he is an ex-world champion of current day F1.

Newer cars are much easier to drive obviously, making modrn day F1 sims that
bit easier, but to be totally honest, in my mind anyway, the phsyics of F1
2000 are the closest thing to modern day f1 there is currently and I doubt
GP3 even if unbelievably realistc can improve on it immencly. Then again,
you'll disagree when I say that GPL's phsyics are over-exadurated at times.
Difficulty does not mean realism, I stress this time and tiem again.

I was a little surprised at the lack of hands in GP3 when I first
heard that they wouldn't be using any, but having seen a small video
clip of what the***pit looks like, I actually think it looks pretty
good without the hands and still looks damned realistic.

Alpha Omega

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GPL = RACING simulation

NFSPU = DRIVING simulation

Both are good simulators -- it just depends on what you want to
simulate, but, as you pointed out, "difficult" does not automatically
mean "realistic," and something does not necessarily have to be
difficult to be realistic.

-- JB

Dave.

I think you need to cut down on the wacky tabacky.

Vintook

   I hope so. It was one of the few things I liked about GPL.

   2_Slow

After that, driving in Training mode is a blast. Too bad there is
(yet) so much broken to make it the game what it could be...

This is true to some extend, but you can't convince me that racing on
the edge in real life is easy....

The problem with real life drivers is that you can't trust them. You
won't expect him to say that driving these cars are easy, do you?

Believe me, driving on the limit in ANY car isn't easy.

Remco

In your opinion, but not even close in my opinion.

% Phsyics wise that is. GPL seems to deal with frame-rates a little better,
% but inmy case its only a little. I ahve a medium spec PC I suppose you'd
% call it nowadays and like I said, GPLis only marginally ahead, F1 2000 at
% times provides better FPS at the start of races.

Maybe if you have all the graphics turned off and only draw 5- computer
cars.....  People are talking about perfect frame rates in F1-2000....
It turns out that they are happy with 20-22 fps....  Sorry, that's too
slow in my book for sim racing.

% Maybe I'm wrong but what gives GPL the edge in a lot of peoples minds is
% that fact that it is so difficult and hard to master. Difficulty does make a
% mroe realistic sim.

It's not the "difficulty" that makes GPL great, it's the "complexity".
The way the many parts of the physics meld into a "feeling".

% When J./ Villeneive drove the Brabham around  Monza last year, he could
% barely drive it, yet he is an ex-world champion of current day F1.

% Newer cars are much easier to drive obviously, making modrn day F1 sims that
% bit easier, but to be totally honest, in my mind anyway, the phsyics of F1
% 2000 are the closest thing to modern day f1 there is currently and I doubt
% GP3 even if unbelievably realistc can improve on it immencly. Then again,
% you'll disagree when I say that GPL's phsyics are over-exadurated at times.
% Difficulty does not mean realism, I stress this time and tiem again.

Then I will stress it once again......  "complexity" not difficulty...
<G>  I think you would be pleasantly surprised if F12000 used GPL
physics (plus aerodynamics which GPL basically doesn't have).  Again
think "complexity" not difficulty....

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Difficulty does equal challenge however. Imagine Hockey without a goalie or
basketball with the net half as high and twice the size. Michael Jordon
wouldn't even have a chance to stand out against the field of average
players.

This is the precise reason DE hates restrictor plates. I makes it impossible
for him to use his special talents to driver faster than lesser drivers,
plus puts him in close proximity to those less skilled drivers increasing
the chances that he'll end up in an accident that someone else caused.

Of course this dosn't in any way mean that it's WRONG to play basketball
with a low large net. For most of us it would make it a more enjoyable game,
but it isn't the same game.

Ok, I did go on a bit,

But GPL is as buggy as the next sim from what I see. It can be annoying.