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by **Larr** » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:29:16

42, right ?

-Larry

> >Yes, filled with 42 brain-dead AI drivers, unfortunately :(

> >I think the programming talent for AI at Papy has long since moved on.

> >We can only _hope_ some miracle occurs in NR2003 since it's the last one.

> So what's the max online? I thought we were talking about that, not the
AI...

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by **Gord** » Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:56:43

> >Yes, filled with 42 brain-dead AI drivers, unfortunately :(

> >I think the programming talent for AI at Papy has long since moved on.

> >We can only _hope_ some miracle occurs in NR2003 since it's the last one.

> So what's the max online? I thought we were talking about that, not the AI...

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I have been in some 32 player online pickup races. (usually 1/2 the field crashes on lap 1) I can't remember seeing any 42 player
fields.

by **Eldre** » Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:50:49

writes:

But that points to driver skill(or lack therof), not the multiplayer model as
someone was insinuating...
I think that if I advertised an arcade damage Talladega or Daytona server, I
could get 42 people to join. If that many slots are available in the game, I'm
fairly sure that my server could handle it...<g>

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by **Isotrip** » Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:42:06

> But that points to driver skill(or lack therof), not the multiplayer model
as
> someone was insinuating...
> I think that if I advertised an arcade damage Talladega or Daytona server,
I
> could get 42 people to join. If that many slots are available in the
game, I'm
> fairly sure that my server could handle it...<g>

> Eldred

That many are availible, Joe Lomas did this on Flashpoint a while back
testing one of the servers (before the move to OLR) It worked extremely
well.

- Isotrip?

by **Bill Bollinge** » Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:11:35

I don't think anyone is disputing that 42 people online were possible and
stable. The problem is that I have yet to ever see/or hear of a good online
race with yellows that involved 42 people.

> > But that points to driver skill(or lack therof), not the multiplayer
model
> as
> > someone was insinuating...
> > I think that if I advertised an arcade damage Talladega or Daytona
server,
> I
> > could get 42 people to join. If that many slots are available in the
> game, I'm
> > fairly sure that my server could handle it...<g>

> > Eldred

> That many are availible, Joe Lomas did this on Flashpoint a while back
> testing one of the servers (before the move to OLR) It worked extremely
> well.

> - Isotrip?

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:05:45

well 42 bumblers or 6 Thunderers...which is worse? I have been in large
field SS races. (for some reason the masses avoid Sears tho.) The
advantage of having a large field is finding comparable competition. with
the 6 or fewer that most F1 2k2 races are: I rarely find an equally slow
racer...so I spend the 5 to 10 laps motoring around mostly alone. Stuff me
into a 42 car field and there will very likely be SOMEBODY I can draft with.
dave henrie

by **Bill Bollinge** » Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:16:43

Having the server handle it and not having people warp is two different
things. You get 42 people in a race vs. 24 you are 75% more likely you will
see warp from a driver. This driver because he is racing in a 42 man race
can affect many more racers and lead to much larger pileups. While I am not
saying that N2002's multiplayer code stinks (because it doesn't, other than
the idea that the person in the low line (if he warps) will always take out
a higher line car and never be none the wiser)), the idea that not having
successful 42 man online races is more of a function of racer skill is not
true. I can round up 42 of the top say.. 200 online racers and it still
wont work well. I have raced in too many online races to not be able to
confidently say this.

by **Eldre** » Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:45:19

>I don't think anyone is disputing that 42 people online were possible and
>stable. The problem is that I have yet to ever see/or hear of a good online
>race with yellows that involved 42 people.

Ok - that's what I thought someone was saying - that it wasn't physically
POSSIBLE to get 42 drivers. I'll agree about the difficulty of having a GOOD
race, but I don't know how to fix that.

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by **Bill Bollinge** » Sat, 26 Oct 2002 01:12:10

I don't think we can ever fix that problem Eldred. While 42 is possible,
IMHO it isn't practicle. I believe about the max for a good online race is
24... I could MAYBE agree up to 28-32, but beyond that, it gets stupid. No
way anyone will convince me 42 at bristol or marty online is worth my time
to race.

> >I don't think anyone is disputing that 42 people online were possible and
> >stable. The problem is that I have yet to ever see/or hear of a good
online
> >race with yellows that involved 42 people.

> Ok - that's what I thought someone was saying - that it wasn't physically
> POSSIBLE to get 42 drivers. I'll agree about the difficulty of having a
GOOD
> race, but I don't know how to fix that.

> Eldred
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by **Jason Moy** » Sat, 26 Oct 2002 05:07:49

Maybe the real Winston Cup drivers would like to know how to fix that
too. Seems like they're always ***ing about iffy passes and people
hitting each other.

Oh wait, am I implying that making mistakes and having caution periods
is one of the most realistic aspects of N2002? Oh my, I better go put
my PapyNazi badge on my sleeve. Bah.

FWIW, OSCAR (and I'd assume the Flashpoint Racing Series in general),
when I was part of it, regularly had races with 30+ people and 0-2
cautions in a 50% race. That's better than the real guys.

Jason

by **Eldre** » Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:06:20

>I don't think we can ever fix that problem Eldred. While 42 is possible,
>IMHO it isn't practicle. I believe about the max for a good online race is
>24... I could MAYBE agree up to 28-32, but beyond that, it gets stupid. No
>way anyone will convince me 42 at bristol or marty online is worth my time
>to race.

Well, even in a REAL race at those tracks you'll be pushing 10-12 cautions,
maybe more. So the fact that crashes happen in an online race, in itself,
isn't a reason to slag the racing. I've never SEEN a 42 car online race at
either of those tracks, so I really DON'T know how bad it would be.

Eldred
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