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Does anybody agree with me?

The problems (as I see it) with the old 'ring are:

- the incredible number of marshalls you'd need to cover every corner
- the distance that the safety car and ambulance have to travel... you'd
almost need about 5 or 6 sets of those vehicles parked around the track.
- complete inability to stop fans from wandering onto the track
- complete inablilty to keep wildlife off the track
- massive cost to bring that many km of track up to modern F1 standards -
paving, barriers, dealing with the locations that have sharp drop-offs if
you get off the track, and other costs.

Other issues:
- TV coverage... many, many cameras.  What's that going to take, 100 cameras
more than current F1 races?

I love the 'ring but I wouldn't want to see it in modern F1.

Dale.

You've got more chance of Hell freezing over than going back to Brands. They
can't get planning permission for the necessary changes. The last I looked
was that the GP was going to be a *provisional* date in July at Silverstone.

Anyway, have you ever been there? Access is worse than Silverstone.

Cheers,

Mick.

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Brands - after the necessary alterations - would be no more of a challenge
than Silverstone.

Rather a narrow minded - and ignorant attitude imho.  From The entire period
from mid 80's to 1994 of Formula One went without a signal fatal accident -
and was certainly NOT boring. You should do your research.

14 Miles of repair work - similarly 28 miles of armco, fencing, catch
fencing, crowd control and marshalling - are you joking? I hope so.

Incorrect. Two deaths in as many DAYS... and also a hospitalisation of
another driver the preceeding day (Barachello), the injury of several
spectators - AND several marshals.  Anyone who took that horrific weekend in
May 1994 as anything but a SEVERE wake up call that things couldnt carry on
as they were is frankly - a fool.

Ratzenberger's death was caused by a mechanical failure - they happen - no
one is to blame.  Further more -Senna leaving the track was NOT caused by a
faulty steering column. If you bothered to research the matter properly -
the most likely cause of his death was bottoming out on cold, soft tyres
after the saftey car period - something that Michael Schumacher - who was
chasing him at the time - obseved in saying he saw Senna almost go off the
preceeding lap.

Frankly, no.   Formula One is currently not very exciting - and whilst some
changes to the tracks MIGHT improve things - it is the cars that are the
root cause - not the venues.

Doug

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Stefan Johansson + ?sterreichring + 1987 + deer + 170mph (I think) =
ouch...

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really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
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Nope. Well, I suppose one can never write off anything where Bernie is
involved, but I'd say there isn't a chance in hell. Donington would
take a lot less work to get up to standard, having hosted a GP in 1993,
as against 1986 for Brands, and its access is better as well,
especially after a lot of recent earthworks. I'm 90% certain there will
be a GP at Silverstone in 2002.

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"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
What was he on about? See http://www.shelsley-walsh.co.uk !

I was there in 99 with the trucks and this is a VERY sorry excuse for a
racetrack, NOBODY wants to go there, in fact we don't go since 99 and the
motorbikes are not going anymore from next year on, the track owner has been
SWEARING every year that the repairs were "on the way" but he'd rather keep
his money....

Once he dies and someone buys the track maybe, interesting layout...

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Yes. And I agree they're sub-standard by current standards. I was just
opining that Brands was worse.

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"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
What was he on about? See http://www.shelsley-walsh.co.uk
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Rick

  I'd lay some good American $$ that not a single F1 engine could survive
the Mulsaane hehehehe(notice I didn't specify how much?)
dave henrie

I agree with most of the other points you mentioned, but not this one.
The racing is probably better this year than other years, but still
not anywhere near where it could go. The problem is twofold - the cars
AND the tracks.

Tracks where we almost always get a good race: Malaysia, Canada,
Austria, Hockenheim, Suzuka, Spa, Brazil.

Tracks where we nearly always get a procession: Imola, Spain, Monaco,
Nurburgring, Magny Cours, Silverstone, Hungary, Australia.

We'll see what the US and Italian GPs throw at us shortly.

The problem is a lack of a decent straight preceded by a reasonably
slow-ish corner to allow any  kind of chance. So you're fighting an
uphill battle there.

Additionally, the cars just need some damn mechanical grip. When will
they bring back slicks? Can't they see that it's the SAFEST solution?
Nothing other than tyre grip will slow you if you spin. Not to mention
the fact that you can't lose mechanical grip in the other driver's
"dirty air".

Well, that's my 2cents worth anyway.

Rafe Mc

WRONG - there have been boring races at these venues.

Again - incorrect - there HAVE been exciting races at these venues.

That's my point about the cars.  Grooved tyres are the most dangerous
element of an F1 car

Doug

Being a bit picky aren't we? Name one track in the world where you are
GUARANTEED a great race? Don't be pedantic, I'm simply stating that we
USUALLY get a half decent race.
Again, being ridiculous. Where would you rather watch a race at -
Monaco or Spa? How many overtaking moves would you expect at each?
Totally missing the point of my post here.

Something we can agree on - grooved tyres have to go.

Rafe Mc