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As far as I know, you have to correct the errant pass *before* you
cross the s/f line again.  At bristol, this can sometimes be hard to
do.

One other thing - since the pace car is a ghost car now, I don't know
if it will slow down if you are blocking the track.  Once you are
passed by the pace car while a caution is underway, if you pass it
back, you might get a black flag.

These aren't necessarily bugs as much as they are drivers not paying
attention to what they're doing.  Granted, sometimes, the situation
just gets you all confused, and you are bound to make a mistake once
in a while. My personal opinion is that if a driver makes a mistake,
he pays for the mistake, and while it might be reasonable to gripe
about it, calling it a bug in the sim is often a bit over the top.

I think it was Dave Henrie (or maybe Ed Solheim) that mentioned
putting up the F2 live interval display while under caution is a good
way to determine your position relative to the car in front of you,
and that should lessen the chances of getting a passing under yellow
penalty as you approach the entrance to pit road.

Of course, on the approach to pit road, EVERYBODY should be aware of
the possibility of sudden/abrupt braking by the car in front of them,
and should therefore not follow directly behind the car in front of
them.

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Yep - already do.  And some people will just have to be more patient as the
cars pass pit road.  Everyone wants to make up time, and "close it up".  It's
obvious that such action isn't always the best thing to do...

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When your spotter tells you to pass a car that's in front of you, and also stay
behind a car that's already behind you, I think that qualifies as a bug...
That happened to me in the first caution Saturday, and cost me another couple
laps clearing the BF.  There often doesn't seem to be enough time(at Bristol)
bewtween an incident and the time that the first car goes into the pits to sort
everything out.

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We tried a couple of 'no-yellow' races, and the overwhelming majority was
against it.  Also, it's not always 'some backmarker' that causes the yellow...

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Curiously enough, I won both of those races... :)

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I'm not saying that your particular example isn't a bug, I'm saying
that 'many times", saying a bf problem is a bug is not correct.

As far as passing a car that's on the track while you're on pit road,
I haven't seen that happen at Bristol (or anywhere else for that
matter), and I've been on pitroad in the lead and passed the pace car
and other racers as well (while being on pit road), and I didn't get
any black flags.  Could it have been warp-induced?

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I was just going to make a post about this because I think it's why Neil and
I got screwed on Lap 100 and got that "Passing the Pace Car" Black Flag.

We were obviously behind the pace car when we dropped down to pit.  Hell, I
even braked to make sure I _didn't_ pass the Pace Car, but I got nailed
anyway.

We can't see out the side like real car drivers can, and when we dropped
down to the apron, the radius we were running (especially at Bristol) closed
up rather remarkably.  That's why even though we had slowed down to pit
speed we still managed to pass the damned pace car and get nailed.

It sucks  to be up front some times :)

I see this happening next at Martinsville.  I don't see it being a problem
until then.

I also screwed myself during that BF stop because I didn't tell the pits NOT
to change tires.  I wasn't ready for this.  First off, I don't think I've
gotten more than 3 penalties in the last 2 years, so I'm not used to it, but
I also recall that in older versions service wasn't automatically rendered
when you stopped to clear a flag.

That cost me another damned lap.

Larry

That's what bit me and Neil at Bristol.  The Radius of the track and the
fact that we could not see out the right side bit us.

Larry

   A) there are look left and right keys available for use
   B) There is the F2 real time mode(f2 then spacebar) which shows your
posistion relative to the pack.  Why this is an issue is beyond me.  You
guys are all smart enough to go fast...you 'should' be smart enough to go
slow!  :)
dave(who ain't smart enough for the first part to worry about the 2nd)
henrie

I know about the F2 key of course :)

Larry