rec.autos.simulators

vidoe card choice is very important. make sure you also get a 3dfx card,
makes the world of difference in game play and graphics.  there is a new
3dfx card out now that also has a 128 bit 2d card built in. its a 6 mb 2d/3d
3dfx card. a great buy!!

Matthew,

Just wanted you to know that I have the Canopus Pure 3D 6mb 3DFX card, as
well as an Intergraph Intense 3D(Rendtion Verite), P166MMX with 32mb EDO
Ram, and I can tell you emphatically that you will not be able to run
Microsoft's CART Precision Racing(CPR) in its current form at above 20
frames per second with any amount of detail if you buy this setup, even
with a good 3DFX card like the Pure 3D. A CPR fan site called THE APEX has
a benchmark page(http://www.quiknet.com/~joja/benchmarks.htm), that shows
that even a PII 300mhz with 8mb 3DFX card and 64mb ram is ONLY able to run
the game at 25 frames per second with full detail on(and no cars on the
track). So, I find it hard to believe that wsiegler is running at 30+ with
a 3DFX card. Even if I turn off ALL detail settings in CPR, I am unable to
achieve close to 30fps. Besides, I did not buy a 3DFX card to then have to
turn off detail settings. My P166MMX may be outdated, but my Pure 3D card
has only been out about a 6 weeks, is that outdated already too? If you do
get a Pure 3D card though, I can tell you that Need for Speed II SE,
International Rally Championship, Motoracer, POD, Interstate 76, Whiplash,
X-Car, and the upcoming F1 sim from Ubisoft, all run great at well above
30fps. These are all really arcade racers(X-car & F1 the only possible
exceptions), but much more fun than CPR. If you really want a great CART
sim, buy Papyrus' CART Racing(Indycar 2 re-named & repackaged). It contains
the Rendition Verite version of the game. You can buy a Rendition card like
the Diamond Stealth II for $99, AND run it alongside a 3DFX card. This
gives you the best of both worlds, and you will be able to run Nascar 2 in
Rendition mode as well. On my machine, Papyrus' CART Racing(Indycar 2) runs
with full detail AND a full field of cars at a consistent 25-30fps. In
Microsoft's CART Precision Racing with comparable detail settings I get
below 10fps.
Bottom line is, get a good 3D card, in fact get 2(Rendition and 3DFX) if
you are really into Nascar 2 and Indycar 2, just don't expect to run
Microsoft's CART Precision Racing at an acceptable frame rate on any
machine currently available today.

Don Chapman

MarkH

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There is no way that a properly configured PII 300 MHz with a 3dfx is
getting the same frame rate I am. That machine should *always* be well over
30fps.

I would guess that the guy with the 166 Mhz MMX system with the 3dfx would
get 16-24 fps,averaging maybe 20 fps *with my graphics settings*. With
everything turned off, bump that to 24-25 fps average.

By the way, as Dean said, there is a 3dfx patch in the works.

Jim Getzen

Unofficial CART Precision Racing HQ
http://members.home.net/getzen/

I do get 30+fps even with all details turned up including full drawing in
the rear view mirrors.  I talked to a guy that works for Microsoft and he
tells me that that is about right for my system(pentium pro 200).  On a PII
266 with 3dfx, he stated that you will get almost 50fps.  Your 166 is much
slower, and remember, PII's are pros and mmxs mixed together.  Plus the
Monster 3D is very quick.

The Glide port is working and will be released in patch. Expect a minimum
25% speed increase maybe even more :-)

Thanks
John
The APEX http://www.quiknet.com/~joja

SNIP

Oops made a mistake in the previous post about the 25%, here is the correct
numbers.

On a P150 the Glide port of CART Precision Racing showed a minimum 33% frame
rate increase. Frame rate improvements higher than 33% were observed on the
P150.

The part about the Glide port being released in the patch was correct also.

Thanks
John

This is great news John! Glad all the feedback seems to have produced
some encouraging results. Keep us posted!
Ron L.

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Slower cpu's also slow down the speed of 3d cards from what I read.
The jump to 200 mhz should yield good results.

What's a Glide port?
Alan

Doug