However I trust ED enough to think they'd find a way to patch SF out of
the sim before turning out the lights, if they (or SF) ever close. Famous
last words though!
Andrew McP
Don McCorkle
www.lp.org
-Larry
>> It will happen, and I think it will be good for consumers when it does.
>> Congress will meet. Senators will discuss over beer. Laws will be
>> written protecting the consumer.
> Somehow I find no comfort in this at all. Seldom does Congress do
> anything that doesn't end up with the average guy taking it up the ass.
> Don McCorkle
> www.lp.org
Andi.
> This has already happened once to users of a certain DVD copy program.
> One day, their paid-for product ceased to install if I remember correctly
> because the company shut down.
> When you think about it, this is REALLY serious with people spending
> thousands on downloaded music.
> If it ever happened, even ONCE, the ripple through the music download
> industry would be tidal-wave in effect.
> I think we will see it happen eventually.
> And Microsoft still hasn't officially stated what they are going to do
> with XP activations when it goes off support.
> -Larry
>> I'm sure Microsoft will come running to our aid with a relatively cheap
>> fix if any company goes under.
>> Andi.
>>> So, with these phone-home protection systems...
>>> What happens if the developer goes under and the servers aren't home any
>>> more.
>>> Anyone thought of that?
>>> That is my primary problem with "Activation" systems, be it software or
>>> digital music.
>>> -Larry
>>> message
>>>>> Oh CRAP!
>>>> I think we simply have to get used to developers protecting their work
>>>> like this. I don't like it, but I love GTL, so I'm living with it and
>>>> haven't -- so far -- noticed any problems associated with it.
>>>> The Starforce on LOMAC 1.1 is worse, because you only get a limited
>>>> number
>>>> of installations. Ok, it's 15 these days, with more if you ask nicely,
>>>> I
>>>> believe. But that bothers me *far* more than the protection on GTL.
>>>> Andrew McP
> When you think about it, this is REALLY serious with people spending
> thousands on downloaded music.
> If it ever happened, even ONCE, the ripple through the music download
> industry would be tidal-wave in effect.
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You know, within reason I don't even care if it has DRM, so long as it's DRM
that is not company or device specific, and is run through a clearinghouse
that ALL resellers of music must use. That way there's no problem with
companies going out of business, etc...
Actually,***DRM. We don't need it ;)
-Larry
>> When you think about it, this is REALLY serious with people spending
>> thousands on downloaded music.
>> If it ever happened, even ONCE, the ripple through the music download
>> industry would be tidal-wave in effect.
> I think the only viable option is open, non-proprietary music formats. I
> refuse to purchase music online from a service that won't allow me to
> listen to the titles on the machine and operating system of *my* choice.
> Cheers, uwe
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-Larry
> Andi.
>> It's not their software to fix.
>> This has already happened once to users of a certain DVD copy program.
>> One day, their paid-for product ceased to install if I remember correctly
>> because the company shut down.
>> When you think about it, this is REALLY serious with people spending
>> thousands on downloaded music.
>> If it ever happened, even ONCE, the ripple through the music download
>> industry would be tidal-wave in effect.
>> I think we will see it happen eventually.
>> And Microsoft still hasn't officially stated what they are going to do
>> with XP activations when it goes off support.
>> -Larry
>>> I'm sure Microsoft will come running to our aid with a relatively cheap
>>> fix if any company goes under.
>>> Andi.
>>>> So, with these phone-home protection systems...
>>>> What happens if the developer goes under and the servers aren't home
>>>> any more.
>>>> Anyone thought of that?
>>>> That is my primary problem with "Activation" systems, be it software or
>>>> digital music.
>>>> -Larry
>>>> message
>>>>>> Oh CRAP!
>>>>> I think we simply have to get used to developers protecting their work
>>>>> like this. I don't like it, but I love GTL, so I'm living with it and
>>>>> haven't -- so far -- noticed any problems associated with it.
>>>>> The Starforce on LOMAC 1.1 is worse, because you only get a limited
>>>>> number
>>>>> of installations. Ok, it's 15 these days, with more if you ask nicely,
>>>>> I
>>>>> believe. But that bothers me *far* more than the protection on GTL.
>>>>> Andrew McP
> -Larry
>> No, but if theres a chance of 'controlling' yet another part of a PC then
>> I'm sure M$ would buy Starforce then make it a standard part of Windows.
-peter
Who needs this "Vista" thing anyway? Given the ridiculous hardware
requirements for the new OS, I'd be even less willing to upgrade if the
above should prove true (well, maybe if GTR10 or rFactor 5.0? drop
support for XP, then I might reconsider, <pipe dream> but then we'll all
be running some Linux / Free OS variant hopefully anyway</pipe dream>
;)
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>> They probably will - and call it "trusted computing" or something. The new
>> "safety" measures in Vista will be DRM, it will provide a "safer"
>> experience for content providers, not for the consumers. Not to mention
>> the rumours that only Microsoft approved drivers can be installed...
> Who needs this "Vista" thing anyway? Given the ridiculous hardware
> requirements for the new OS, I'd be even less willing to upgrade if the
> above should prove true (well, maybe if GTR10 or rFactor 5.0? drop
> support for XP, then I might reconsider, <pipe dream> but then we'll all
> be running some Linux / Free OS variant hopefully anyway</pipe dream>
> ;)
-peter
-Larry
>> They probably will - and call it "trusted computing" or something. The
>> new
>> "safety" measures in Vista will be DRM, it will provide a "safer"
>> experience for content providers, not for the consumers. Not to mention
>> the rumours that only Microsoft approved drivers can be installed...
> Who needs this "Vista" thing anyway? Given the ridiculous hardware
> requirements for the new OS, I'd be even less willing to upgrade if the
> above should prove true (well, maybe if GTR10 or rFactor 5.0? drop
> support for XP, then I might reconsider, <pipe dream> but then we'll all
> be running some Linux / Free OS variant hopefully anyway</pipe dream>
> ;)
> Cheers, uwe
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M$ sux, its all Bush's fault, were losing the war, Islamists are arent all
bad, Starforce broke my PC, blah blah blah. See the trend????
There are many places on the internet for you to go and get you fill of anti
MS nonsense why the *** do you bring it here constantly?
No one codes games on Linux for a reason youre just to full of your kool-aid
to figure it out as a reasonable human.
Mitch
>> They probably will - and call it "trusted computing" or something. The
>> new
>> "safety" measures in Vista will be DRM, it will provide a "safer"
>> experience for content providers, not for the consumers. Not to mention
>> the rumours that only Microsoft approved drivers can be installed...
> Who needs this "Vista" thing anyway? Given the ridiculous hardware
> requirements for the new OS, I'd be even less willing to upgrade if the
> above should prove true (well, maybe if GTR10 or rFactor 5.0? drop
> support for XP, then I might reconsider, <pipe dream> but then we'll all
> be running some Linux / Free OS variant hopefully anyway</pipe dream>
> ;)
> Cheers, uwe
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Andrew McP
:)
-Larry
> M$ sux, its all Bush's fault, were losing the war, Islamists are arent all
> bad, Starforce broke my PC, blah blah blah. See the trend????
> There are many places on the internet for you to go and get you fill of
> anti MS nonsense why the *** do you bring it here constantly?
> No one codes games on Linux for a reason youre just to full of your
> kool-aid to figure it out as a reasonable human.
> Mitch
>>> They probably will - and call it "trusted computing" or something. The
>>> new
>>> "safety" measures in Vista will be DRM, it will provide a "safer"
>>> experience for content providers, not for the consumers. Not to mention
>>> the rumours that only Microsoft approved drivers can be installed...
>> Who needs this "Vista" thing anyway? Given the ridiculous hardware
>> requirements for the new OS, I'd be even less willing to upgrade if the
>> above should prove true (well, maybe if GTR10 or rFactor 5.0? drop
>> support for XP, then I might reconsider, <pipe dream> but then we'll all
>> be running some Linux / Free OS variant hopefully anyway</pipe dream>
>> ;)
>> Cheers, uwe
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>:)
Ah, good old Mitch. Never one to miss out on throwing around a few
expletives ;)
Cheers, uwe
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