Ditto.
Joe
> Need For Speed is a _fantastic_ game, BTW, I'm surprised I haven't
> heard more about it. Of all the arcade racers, this one has the most
> realistic, heart-pounding, pedal-to-the-metal kind of feel. With the
> wheel/pedals combo I can use real-world driving techniques to recover
> from skids and so on. And it has superb built-in tracks. Over all,
> very impressive.
I couldn't agree with you more (about Need For Speed)! I'll be posting
any/all NFS tracks that I can find on my NFS page... (see sig for url).
Enjoy and be sure to sign up for the modem game registry!
Doug
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Actually, there is a train of thought that suggests that some
players would prefer a _limited_ number of tracks, so you get to
practise a few specific tracks in more depth. For example, Sega
constructed 9 circuits for the Virtua Racing arcade machine but
only included 3 of them in the finished version (this has been their
philosophy ever since). In any case, there is no point in Papyrus
throwing $$s at a circuit designer - it would be a commercial
flop as the amount of input required for a home user to create
a circuit (including the AI, of course) would be massive. Few
people (except for a small handfull on r.a.s) would be willing
to invest the time or effort in designing such circuits.
Fraser
My background is in 3D design using CAD systems and simplifying data
so that it can be bougt into software and used in a realtime model.
I never used one program to do this and had a mixture of commercial
packages and custom written tools to produce the final product.
Yes, the majority of users wont want to or be able to create tracks
and there is no way you could create a simple, modular design program.
My point, and this is personal, is that we've had ICR1 and 2 and
Nacsar and my assumtion is that they are working on a different type
of sim or producing Nascar 2.
I felt that with ICR2 that, yes, it was a better physics model better
looking and tidier, but I already had all the tracks and was craving
something new.
I would liked to of seen some different tracks with ICR2, maybe just
one or two say.
Or if they want to put the hassle on to us and make some money, why
not publish a book with the track file specs in it?
Jed
The Pits
www.ukps.com/thepits
www.fwb.gulf.net/~jkohl/thepits
I don't understand why YOU can't grasp it - when you consider what's
already been managed WITHOUT being told any of the track specs, it's
pretty obvious that you're SEVERELY underestimating the intelligence of
people racing these sims. The average fan doesn't need to understand it,
just a few people who will make good tracks. Just like the car
designers, the wheat will soon become separated from the chaff (sorry to
all you chaffs out there!).
John
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No, there is another alternative, which I'd like to propose to Papyrus
if anyone's listening here. I was in an identical situation with some
mapping software we developed and sold. Users wanted the map
importing/configuration program but we didn't want it out there
because we knew we couldn't support it. So we only distributed it to
_qualified_ users, and even then with an explicit license agreement
that we were supporting niether this program nor the data produced
with it. Seems like a good middle ground, which today wouldn't be that
hard to setup. Start with a simple survey form on a web page to gather
info on peoples' capabilities, follow up to a couple dozen of the good
ones with one phone call, and if they sound good and agree to the
license, off they go.
It's not as is Papyrus isn't going to benefit from this. There are
certain customers who are *** racers, deeply into the Papyrus
games because of the realism, and I suppose it wouldn't make much
difference to these folks. But there's a lot more folks out there too,
folks like me who are just racing junkies. I buy most new racing games
that come out, and no matter how good they are, sooner or later I get
bored with the tracks. I track editor (or the availability of public
domain tracks on the net) would extend the life and value of the games
immeasurably for me.
Joe
