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The only things I disliked about F12001 were a) stuttering when the pitcrew
chimed in, b) poor replays (even when on maximum visual replay quality), c)
sometimes shimmering graphics,  and lastly d) graphics that were so
'colourful' that they begun to look a little 'cartoony' ( EA's 'Superbike
2001' had far more realistic 'photo' like visuals).

These criticisms might sound a lot, but ultimately I still enjoyed the game.
Its only now that having bought GP4 and being a little disappointed with it
, I am not sure whether to take it back and perhaps buy F12002 instead?

Any guidance appreciated.

PJ

David G Fisher

I guess it is all down to personal preference. Of interest (maybe) GP4
responds well to FSAA, a minor hit, which kills F1-2002 dead. GP4 at
1024 with Quincux FSAA looks far better on my GF3 than F1-2002 at 1600
w/o FSAA. IMHO of course.

As for darting AI, I just got overtaken on the grass on the outside of
T4 at Hungary in F12002 (now I was over the kerb). Must be those grooved
tyres...

In terms of the original post, yes F1-2002 over a cheap F1-2001.

Tony

good god
EA SBK2001 is soooooooo good
why cant they use the same graphic engine ???

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om...
without all the bugs.
with a GF2 and at only

  Just about everyone liked the SBK 2001 graphics...however,  there is no
SBK 2002, and the guys that programmed that graphic engine are not the
company that is making  F1 2002.  While both programming teams are or were
contracted to EA, their work is separate.(I don't know the SBK teams current
state, if they are still a company even, I just know they are NOT doing
another bike sim for EA.)   BTW....many folks praised SBK 2001's graphics,
but it's physics?  It's multiplayer?  It's sounds?   Those were all found
lacking.
dave henrie

Wish I knew why FSAA drops the F12002 fps so much. F12002 doesn't need FSAA
nearly as much as N2002 though.

David G Fisher

Well, F1 2002 is very demanding of fill rate on a graphics card.  Possibly
the most demanding game available in that department.  GP4 (like it's
predecessor) is mainly CPU bound.  I'd even go so far as to say that F1 2002
doesn't look anything special unless it's on a GF3 Ti500+.  Then the frame
rate really gets pumping..

Are you talking about fps or quality? With my GF2Ti and P4 1.6m my frame
rates are excellent with everything maxed. As for quality, you don't think
these screen shots look nice even though they are taken with a GF2Ti at 800
x 600? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/davegf/ I thought I'd need a GF3/4
before the game was released, but now I think it can wait a bit.

David G Fisher

Well, I guess a GF2 Ti with it's DDR memory isn't too shabby for fill rate.
On my Ti4600, I can run at 1280x960x32 max detail at the same frame rate as
640x480x16.  If I go one step higher to 1600x1200, the frame rate takes a
big hit from around 80fps to about 50fps.

F1 2002 in 1280x960x32 at 60fps vsynced = sim heaven (for now.)

even all else fail, just look at the game SBK 2001
and see how their counterpart did it, they
can still come out with equivalent approach

they really don't need to reinvent the wheel

..
programming teams are or were
know the SBK teams current
SBK 2001's graphics,
Those were all found

   Lets just look at another example.
Suppose that both Michael Crichton and Tom Clancey are published by Random
House.  During the editing process can Random House lift some of Clancey's
technical prose to clarify the Crichton text?  Can Random House have Clancy
ghost write some passages?
  Without being a lawyer, I think the answer is no.  Unless Clancey and
Crichton got together and crafted a contract with Random House so that both
could get credit and payment for the writting process,  then there is no way
Random can just step in and substitute text, even if it's better, or
clearer, or clamored for by the reading public.
  Since I think we can safe assume EA has individual contracts with ISI and
the SBK programmers,  It would take a host of lawyers to pave the way for
the use of the SBK code.  Then it would probably take at least a year just
to figure out how to integrate the SBK graphics.  Will EA cough up the cash
to let ISI figure out somebody else's graphic engine?
  Suddenly a $39 program is costing $69 or more and is two years late....
dave henrie

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