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Sim Racing Ergonomics ...

Kurt Steinboc

Sim Racing Ergonomics ...

by Kurt Steinboc » Tue, 06 Apr 1999 04:00:00

... wherein an aging boomer finds a way to decrease lower back pain AND lap
times.

Hello, y'all --

I'm 51, and have pretty-near-chronic sciatic (sp?) nerve problems on the
left side.  For the past year, symptoms have been worse than usual.

So I'm at the doctor one day, getting manipulated, and griping about how the
pain doesn't seem to be relieved much, though it had been before.  Hmmm, the
doc says.  Do you drive a car with a clutch?  Yes, I said, but I'm
self-employed, often drive less than 50 miles a week and sometimes don't
move the car for days at a time.  Can't be driving that's irritating it.
(Readers smarter than me will see where this is going, though it took me
months for the light to go on.)

I work and race at the same computer.  Since I give a damn about my back, my
workstation is PERFECTLY set up for ergonomic comfort and efficiency.  But
one day, finally, I noticed how atrocious the configuration is for sim
driving.

In my case, the biggest problem was in the combination of seat height and
pedal angle.  (I use a Thrustmaster Super Sport.)  I discovered that I was
pushing DOWN on the pedal more than I was pushing FORWARD.  Worse, since I
brake with my left foot, that foot was almost always held poised above the
brake pedal, aggravating my condition.

Eureka!

Last week, I grabbed one of the cheap plastic resin patio chairs I had
around the house, and hack-sawed five inches off all four legs, which
changed the angle that my feet meet the pedals.  I immediately noticed a
difference.  Next, I noticed that because of the pedal throw of the SS and
the angle of its base, my right foot was pointed uncomfortably (like a
ballet dancer) when I have the pedal floored.  Solution was to take an empty
two-inch three-ring binder I had laying around (a handy, cheap wedge shape)
and to put it under the pedal unit.  Voila!  Comfortable angle!

Most importantly, I found a block around the house that happened to be about
the same height off the floor that the brake pedal now was, and I placed the
block to the left of the brake, so I have a place to rest my foot, but that
still allows me to get on the brake fast.  What a difference!  I drove my
Eagle an unconscionable amount this weeked without pain.

As a happy sidelight, since my ***is lower than it had been, the wheel of
the SS is now angled very comfortably at chest level, where it had been kind
of down by my belly before.  I now have to look slightly UP at my monitor,
but that's helping, too, since I have a tendency to slouch.

AND, I managed to set a couple of new personal best lap times after making
these adjustments.

I was going to submit my findings to the New England Journal of Medicine,
but thought I would share them with y'all first.  Happy (and comfortable!)
driving.

Kurt Steinbock

Jack Ramb

Sim Racing Ergonomics ...

by Jack Ramb » Tue, 06 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Nice of you to share that with us, Kurt! Something for all of us aging
boomers/GPL ***s to think about!

Jack Rambo

^Frett

Sim Racing Ergonomics ...

by ^Frett » Tue, 06 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Well Kurt I too am 51 yrs young but I can barely use my legs and feet. A serious

condition I will not bore the newsgroup with... Anyway using my feet or legs for

sim racin' is out. Cause I can't! I use a TM Sprint Wheel & my gas/brake-clutch
are all on the wheel.
One question Kurt; If your back is/was so bad how did you manage to do all the
chopping. cutting & re-arranging of blocks, chairs etc? Just curious. Good luck
in your new faster lap-times.... Cheers Thom j aka ^Fretts..
"O" P.S. My times aren't bad at all either!! ;0) Consistent 1:29-30s at Monza


> ... wherein an aging boomer finds a way to decrease lower back pain AND lap
> times.

> Hello, y'all --

> I'm 51, and have pretty-near-chronic sciatic (sp?) nerve problems on the
> left side.  For the past year, symptoms have been worse than usual.

> So I'm at the doctor one day, getting manipulated, and griping about how the
> pain doesn't seem to be relieved much, though it had been before.  Hmmm, the
> doc says.  Do you drive a car with a clutch?  Yes, I said, but I'm
> self-employed, often drive less than 50 miles a week and sometimes don't
> move the car for days at a time.  Can't be driving that's irritating it.
> (Readers smarter than me will see where this is going, though it took me
> months for the light to go on.)

> I work and race at the same computer.  Since I give a damn about my back, my
> workstation is PERFECTLY set up for ergonomic comfort and efficiency.  But
> one day, finally, I noticed how atrocious the configuration is for sim
> driving.

> In my case, the biggest problem was in the combination of seat height and
> pedal angle.  (I use a Thrustmaster Super Sport.)  I discovered that I was
> pushing DOWN on the pedal more than I was pushing FORWARD.  Worse, since I
> brake with my left foot, that foot was almost always held poised above the
> brake pedal, aggravating my condition.

> Eureka!

> Last week, I grabbed one of the cheap plastic resin patio chairs I had
> around the house, and hack-sawed five inches off all four legs, which
> changed the angle that my feet meet the pedals.  I immediately noticed a
> difference.  Next, I noticed that because of the pedal throw of the SS and
> the angle of its base, my right foot was pointed uncomfortably (like a
> ballet dancer) when I have the pedal floored.  Solution was to take an empty
> two-inch three-ring binder I had laying around (a handy, cheap wedge shape)
> and to put it under the pedal unit.  Voila!  Comfortable angle!

> Most importantly, I found a block around the house that happened to be about
> the same height off the floor that the brake pedal now was, and I placed the
> block to the left of the brake, so I have a place to rest my foot, but that
> still allows me to get on the brake fast.  What a difference!  I drove my
> Eagle an unconscionable amount this weeked without pain.

> As a happy sidelight, since my ***is lower than it had been, the wheel of
> the SS is now angled very comfortably at chest level, where it had been kind
> of down by my belly before.  I now have to look slightly UP at my monitor,
> but that's helping, too, since I have a tendency to slouch.

> AND, I managed to set a couple of new personal best lap times after making
> these adjustments.

> I was going to submit my findings to the New England Journal of Medicine,
> but thought I would share them with y'all first.  Happy (and comfortable!)
> driving.

> Kurt Steinbock

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Jeff Eilan

Sim Racing Ergonomics ...

by Jeff Eilan » Tue, 06 Apr 1999 04:00:00

 I used one of those plastic chairs , for about a month , then the back began
hurting again , so I went to a Auto's salvage yard , I found a 97 Chrysler with
perfect bucket seats , even with lumbar support , mounted it on a couple of 2x4's ,
full range of motion , it's more comfortable than my recliner , well just as
comfortable , ten bucks for the seat and I had 2x4's laying round , minimal
mechanical skills required , the thing is we all use what is available to us ,
improvise , adapt , overcome!!
Happy Motoring !!
Jeff

"^Fretts

> Well Kurt I too am 51 yrs young but I can barely use my legs and feet. A serious

> condition I will not bore the newsgroup with... Anyway using my feet or legs for

> sim racin' is out. Cause I can't! I use a TM Sprint Wheel & my gas/brake-clutch
> are all on the wheel.
> One question Kurt; If your back is/was so bad how did you manage to do all the
> chopping. cutting & re-arranging of blocks, chairs etc? Just curious. Good luck
> in your new faster lap-times.... Cheers Thom j aka ^Fretts..
> "O" P.S. My times aren't bad at all either!! ;0) Consistent 1:29-30s at Monza


> > ... wherein an aging boomer finds a way to decrease lower back pain AND lap
> > times.

> > Hello, y'all --

> > I'm 51, and have pretty-near-chronic sciatic (sp?) nerve problems on the
> > left side.  For the past year, symptoms have been worse than usual.

> > So I'm at the doctor one day, getting manipulated, and griping about how the
> > pain doesn't seem to be relieved much, though it had been before.  Hmmm, the
> > doc says.  Do you drive a car with a clutch?  Yes, I said, but I'm
> > self-employed, often drive less than 50 miles a week and sometimes don't
> > move the car for days at a time.  Can't be driving that's irritating it.
> > (Readers smarter than me will see where this is going, though it took me
> > months for the light to go on.)

> > I work and race at the same computer.  Since I give a damn about my back, my
> > workstation is PERFECTLY set up for ergonomic comfort and efficiency.  But
> > one day, finally, I noticed how atrocious the configuration is for sim
> > driving.

> > In my case, the biggest problem was in the combination of seat height and
> > pedal angle.  (I use a Thrustmaster Super Sport.)  I discovered that I was
> > pushing DOWN on the pedal more than I was pushing FORWARD.  Worse, since I
> > brake with my left foot, that foot was almost always held poised above the
> > brake pedal, aggravating my condition.

> > Eureka!

> > Last week, I grabbed one of the cheap plastic resin patio chairs I had
> > around the house, and hack-sawed five inches off all four legs, which
> > changed the angle that my feet meet the pedals.  I immediately noticed a
> > difference.  Next, I noticed that because of the pedal throw of the SS and
> > the angle of its base, my right foot was pointed uncomfortably (like a
> > ballet dancer) when I have the pedal floored.  Solution was to take an empty
> > two-inch three-ring binder I had laying around (a handy, cheap wedge shape)
> > and to put it under the pedal unit.  Voila!  Comfortable angle!

> > Most importantly, I found a block around the house that happened to be about
> > the same height off the floor that the brake pedal now was, and I placed the
> > block to the left of the brake, so I have a place to rest my foot, but that
> > still allows me to get on the brake fast.  What a difference!  I drove my
> > Eagle an unconscionable amount this weeked without pain.

> > As a happy sidelight, since my ***is lower than it had been, the wheel of
> > the SS is now angled very comfortably at chest level, where it had been kind
> > of down by my belly before.  I now have to look slightly UP at my monitor,
> > but that's helping, too, since I have a tendency to slouch.

> > AND, I managed to set a couple of new personal best lap times after making
> > these adjustments.

> > I was going to submit my findings to the New England Journal of Medicine,
> > but thought I would share them with y'all first.  Happy (and comfortable!)
> > driving.

> > Kurt Steinbock

Scott B. Huste

Sim Racing Ergonomics ...

by Scott B. Huste » Tue, 06 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Does a metal poker chair with minimal cushion and a computer desk count as
ergonomic ???   ROFL.

Im 6ft 3in tall and 260+ lbs.   All I know is that my ***is numb after those
long 50% plus races on TEN or a nice long race at Monza.

I use the NPro from TM and find the pedals to be a very good angle for myself.
I suppose it has to do with my height and sitting fairly upright at a computer
desk.  I used velcro tape to keep my pedals in place.   I have a anti-static pad
and rug protector under my desk/chair and the velcro tape sticks to it very
well.  It also gives me the convenience of just "tearing" up the wheels if I
need to do a spring change, etc.

I wanted to build a "race" seat system... but my wife threatened me with bodily
harm I will not describe to my fellow racers ;)  (althought the word Bobbitt
does come to mind).  <VBG>

Scott
PA-Scott
G.T.S. Racing - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sbhusted/GTS/gts.html

--
Scott B. Husted
ICQ# 4395450

Shane Lowr

Sim Racing Ergonomics ...

by Shane Lowr » Tue, 06 Apr 1999 04:00:00

It is interesting the lengths that we go to for our chosen sport ... i too
was having significant back pain from extended periods of sitting in a
swivel/ reclining chair ... and a desk that was none too stable ... so i
ended up splurging on a ferraro design***pit/ game console ... i had to do
some modifying of the wheel base ... to raise it and allow me to mount my
microsoft wheel ... and a heap of 100 mph tape to get the pedals to stay put
... but with a constant driving postion my lap times have dropped and after
racing i am much more comfortable

vive le race

regards
shane


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