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Gordon on Schumacher

Chuck Kandle

Gordon on Schumacher

by Chuck Kandle » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00



> > Goy,

> > Although I believe F1 drivers are at the top of the list of the most skilled
> > road course racers in the world, Im not so sure they could jump in a Winston
> > Cup Stock Car and beat the Gordon or some of the other good NASCAR Winston
> > Cup road course drivers.  Driving a WC Car around a road course is a HUGE
> > difference than an F1 or any other type of open wheel car.

> > That does not mean I am saying the WC guys are better road course racers.
> > I'm just saying they are better at driving Winston Cup cars on road courses.
> > <G>

> Quitters are not allowed to voice their opinions, WIMP !!! :-)))

> The reason why F1 drivers are so good is because they can adapt to
> almost any car or track, that's why they are where they are today,
> that's not to say the MS (hate his guts) would beat *any* WC driver
> without any prior testing at any given track, but I bet it wouldn't take
> MS (hate his guts) too many laps to be right on pace, and probably well
> above it too....

> But then again, even MS (hate his guts) is susceptible to driver
> preferences, and he could find it hard to get the car set up they way he
> wanted it, but having seen MS (hate his guts) at the Paris-Bercy (sp)
> kart races, I would be very surprised if that was the case

BTW Goy, how do you feel about MS?  Like, dislike or neutral?  ;-))

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Jan Verschuere

Gordon on Schumacher

by Jan Verschuere » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

Right... and how many Winston Cup races did he win again?

Jan.
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Pat R. Emple

Gordon on Schumacher

by Pat R. Emple » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00


> Well put, Scott, F1 drivers are fantastic at what they do, but take away the
> wings, the wide tires, and strap on another 1500 lbs. of ballast, and let's
> see how well they get around.....Gordon, Wallace, Rudd, or any of the other
> WC roadracers would be fun to watch in an F1 car, as well.
> My $.02

Probably just as fun to watch would be seeing some of these WC drivers
trying to get in an F1 car, let alone drive it  :-)
Scott B. Huste

Gordon on Schumacher

by Scott B. Huste » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

LOL No kidding!  There are some 'petite' NASCAR drivers though.  Mark Martin
is a very small guy, although in extremely good physical condition.  I don't
think Jeff Gordon is a big guy either. (Hell, his voice hasn't even begun to
change yet! <G>).

Guys like Spencer, M. Waltrip, etc would not be good candidates.  Like
myself, who couldn't get into an open wheel car if they had a giant shoe
horn and 100lbs of Crisco <VBG>

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> > Well put, Scott, F1 drivers are fantastic at what they do, but take away
the
> > wings, the wide tires, and strap on another 1500 lbs. of ballast, and
let's
> > see how well they get around.....Gordon, Wallace, Rudd, or any of the
other
> > WC roadracers would be fun to watch in an F1 car, as well.
> > My $.02

> Probably just as fun to watch would be seeing some of these WC drivers
> trying to get in an F1 car, let alone drive it  :-)

rrevve

Gordon on Schumacher

by rrevve » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00


> if you want to stir
>things up, you need to start talking about how F1 drivers would have
>been on an oval track......

Nigel Mansell did pretty well.. ;)
Jan Verschuere

Gordon on Schumacher

by Jan Verschuere » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

Not an another one?? -That was in an open wheeler, NOT a tin-top.

Jan.
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Speedy Fas

Gordon on Schumacher

by Speedy Fas » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

On Sat, 27 May 2000 13:06:37 GMT, "Scott B. Husted"


>Goy,

>Although I believe F1 drivers are at the top of the list of the most skilled
>road course racers in the world, Im not so sure they could jump in a Winston
>Cup Stock Car and beat the Gordon or some of the other good NASCAR Winston
>Cup road course drivers.  Driving a WC Car around a road course is a HUGE
>difference than an F1 or any other type of open wheel car.

>That does not mean I am saying the WC guys are better road course racers.
>I'm just saying they are better at driving Winston Cup cars on road courses.
><G>

I'd be more interested in seeing NASROC (formerly IROC) race at Brands
Hatch or Spa,Belgium in the rain.... with F1 stars and NASCAR stars.
Now that would be entertaining!

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what has disrupted open-wheel racing in America for us.  I mean, we are pulling
in different directions and that doesn't make sense."
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Kai Fulle

Gordon on Schumacher

by Kai Fulle » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

what kind of cars? Sports Cars, all Porsche GT2's?


> On Sat, 27 May 2000 13:06:37 GMT, "Scott B. Husted"

> >Goy,

> >Although I believe F1 drivers are at the top of the list of the most
skilled
> >road course racers in the world, Im not so sure they could jump in a
Winston
> >Cup Stock Car and beat the Gordon or some of the other good NASCAR
Winston
> >Cup road course drivers.  Driving a WC Car around a road course is a HUGE
> >difference than an F1 or any other type of open wheel car.

> >That does not mean I am saying the WC guys are better road course racers.
> >I'm just saying they are better at driving Winston Cup cars on road
courses.
> ><G>

> I'd be more interested in seeing NASROC (formerly IROC) race at Brands
> Hatch or Spa,Belgium in the rain.... with F1 stars and NASCAR stars.
> Now that would be entertaining!

> -----------
> "My dispute is with the IRL. I will not support the IRL because I think
that's
> what has disrupted open-wheel racing in America for us.  I mean, we are
pulling
> in different directions and that doesn't make sense."
>   -- Mario Andretti, May 2000

> Juan Montoya tells the truth about the Indianapolis Motor Speedway
>   http://espn.go.com/media/2000/q2/car_000517jm1a.wav
> Oval racing is 98% engineering and 2% driver talent.

> Al Unser Jr:  The Indy Retirement League Poster-Boy

http://www.speedcenter.com/gallery/gallery98/13midohio/need_an_ashtra...
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rrevve

Gordon on Schumacher

by rrevve » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00


>Not an another one?? -That was in an open wheeler, NOT a tin-top.

>Jan.

They race open wheelers on oval tracks, Jan.

hth

Davi

Gordon on Schumacher

by Davi » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

Well in the old days of IROC on F1 driver tried Lauda.  Needless to say on
raod courses Niki did not do well in the big heavy Banjo Mathews Camaros.

Dave

Ronald Stoeh

Gordon on Schumacher

by Ronald Stoeh » Mon, 29 May 2000 04:00:00



snip
> > that's not to say the MS (hate his guts) would beat *any* WC driver
> > without any prior testing at any given track, but I bet it wouldn't take
> > MS (hate his guts) too many laps to be right on pace, and probably well
> > above it too....

> > But then again, even MS (hate his guts) is susceptible to driver
> > preferences, and he could find it hard to get the car set up they way he
> > wanted it, but having seen MS (hate his guts) at the Paris-Bercy (sp)
> > kart races, I would be very surprised if that was the case

> BTW Goy, how do you feel about MS?  Like, dislike or neutral?  ;-))

Same thing as with Jeff Gordon. If you're (one of) the best, there are
lots
of loonies who will hate your guts... ;)

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Jan Verschuere

Gordon on Schumacher

by Jan Verschuere » Mon, 29 May 2000 04:00:00

Yes, of course, but we're talking 'bout how F1 drivers would do on ovals in
NASCAR, not CART.

Talking 'bout Mansell in CART is relavant as to the adaptability of F1
drivers to other racing series, but it doesn't prove anything here.
Futhermore, and in all fairness, it wasn't that big a jump in terms of car,
now was it?

Jan.
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pl..

Gordon on Schumacher

by pl.. » Mon, 29 May 2000 04:00:00

courses.

from www.irocracing.com history section:
 "IROC began a new era in its history with the introduction of Dodge
Daytonas as the vehicles of choice in 1990. The three-event series
began with an outstanding race at Talladega Superspeedway, which saw
Dale Earnhardt win despite 15 lead changes among five drivers.
International road racer Martin Brundle, who impressed everyone with a
fifth place at Talladega in his IROC and oval-track debut, came back to
win Race 2 on the airport road course in Cleveland. He therefore became
the first non-United States driver to lead the point standings going
into an IROC finale. Brundle started on the pole at Michigan, but his
chance of victory was over after he and Rusty Wallace touched during
tight racing. Earnhardt took command on the first lap and fended off
all challenges to claim his first IROC crown and $175,000."

I watched the Cleveland race on TV and Brundle dominated this road
race.  The in-car camera showed his feet dancing over the brake pedal
tapping as he used the brake to steer the stocker into the turns.  I
think F1 drivers can adapt to stock cars much easier than stock car
drivers could adapt to an F1 car.  It's a shame that IROC no longer
provides anything close to an even chance for non-NASCAR drivers.

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Dave Henri

Gordon on Schumacher

by Dave Henri » Mon, 29 May 2000 04:00:00



> >   This is what the original IROC series was about.  Mixed drivers on
> > mixed courses, road and ovals.  It is a REAL REAL REAL shame that
> > IROC now is nothing more than a Nascar support class.

> I don't know the IROC series, but isn't that much the same as Fixed
> setups in Nx, you're not allowed to change *anything* ?

  IROC used to stand for International Race of Champions.  Now it stands
for get out of Dale'Earnhardt's way while he's drafting.  The cars are
all identically prepared, waaaay back they used Porche 911's but now it
is Pontiac Firebirds. (mini winston cup cars)  
  They would run road courses and ovals so that both types of drivers
stood a chance.  Trouble was...the oval boys were awful on the road
courses and the right turn racers could figure out the ovals fairly
well.  So the "drivers" had a-lot more sucess than the oval guys.
Back then, Al Unser Sr. and Jr. did quite well, now it's Mark Martin or
Dale E...
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raja

Gordon on Schumacher

by raja » Mon, 29 May 2000 04:00:00

One word....MANSELL. he went oval racing (admitedly in a CART, but it was a
very different car to a 92 F1) and kicked everyone's butt. Won his first
pole, won his first race, nearly won Indy, won short ovals, won on the big
ones! F1 drivers are in F1 because it is the pinnacle of motorsport. If CART
was the pinnacle, or WC, then the best would be there. The F1 champion is
the only WORLD CHAMPION!!!!



> > This might get the NASCAR vs. F1 debate rolling again.  :-)

> Not a chance, even the most hadcore Nascar fans would admit to that,
> especially since they'd rather there wasn't any road courses in the WC
> at all, I'd expect most current F1 drivers, including those lapped 2 or
> 3 times, to do well at Sears or Glen in Nascar, if you want to stir
> things up, you need to start talking about how F1 drivers would have
> been on an oval track......

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