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Gordon on Schumacher

David G Fishe

Gordon on Schumacher

by David G Fishe » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

This might get the NASCAR vs. F1 debate rolling again.  :-)

Fom USA Today:

Gordon, incidentally, has become NASCAR's *** road racer, winning the
last five in a row. ''But,'' he says with a chuckle, ''that doesn't mean if
you bring (Formula One star) Michael Schumacher over here and put him in a
stock car, I could keep up with him.''

David G Fisher

David G Fishe

Gordon on Schumacher

by David G Fishe » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

I should of linked to the entire article which is entitled, "Jeff Gordon
blames CART's woes on closed-door society".

http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20000526/2303778s.htm

David G Fisher

Goy Larse

Gordon on Schumacher

by Goy Larse » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00


> This might get the NASCAR vs. F1 debate rolling again.  :-)

Not a chance, even the most hadcore Nascar fans would admit to that,
especially since they'd rather there wasn't any road courses in the WC
at all, I'd expect most current F1 drivers, including those lapped 2 or
3 times, to do well at Sears or Glen in Nascar, if you want to stir
things up, you need to start talking about how F1 drivers would have
been on an oval track......

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Gordon on Schumacher

by Gaul » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

(snipped)
drivers would have been on an oval track......

I for one wish that modern F1 drivers would try some oval racing.  I love
watching old clips of Jim Clark, Graham Hill, Surtees and many others at
Indy.  These guys were responsible for significant advances in US open wheel
racing and were very successful.  If these legends didn't turn up their
noses at oval tracks, why do modern F1 drivers do so?

Scott B. Huste

Gordon on Schumacher

by Scott B. Huste » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

Goy,

Although I believe F1 drivers are at the top of the list of the most skilled
road course racers in the world, Im not so sure they could jump in a Winston
Cup Stock Car and beat the Gordon or some of the other good NASCAR Winston
Cup road course drivers.  Driving a WC Car around a road course is a HUGE
difference than an F1 or any other type of open wheel car.

That does not mean I am saying the WC guys are better road course racers.
I'm just saying they are better at driving Winston Cup cars on road courses.
<G>

Scott
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> > This might get the NASCAR vs. F1 debate rolling again.  :-)

> Not a chance, even the most hadcore Nascar fans would admit to that,
> especially since they'd rather there wasn't any road courses in the WC
> at all, I'd expect most current F1 drivers, including those lapped 2 or
> 3 times, to do well at Sears or Glen in Nascar, if you want to stir
> things up, you need to start talking about how F1 drivers would have
> been on an oval track......

> Beers and cheers
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Goy Larse

Gordon on Schumacher

by Goy Larse » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00


> Goy,

> Although I believe F1 drivers are at the top of the list of the most skilled
> road course racers in the world, Im not so sure they could jump in a Winston
> Cup Stock Car and beat the Gordon or some of the other good NASCAR Winston
> Cup road course drivers.  Driving a WC Car around a road course is a HUGE
> difference than an F1 or any other type of open wheel car.

> That does not mean I am saying the WC guys are better road course racers.
> I'm just saying they are better at driving Winston Cup cars on road courses.
> <G>

Quitters are not allowed to voice their opinions, WIMP !!! :-)))

The reason why F1 drivers are so good is because they can adapt to
almost any car or track, that's why they are where they are today,
that's not to say the MS (hate his guts) would beat *any* WC driver
without any prior testing at any given track, but I bet it wouldn't take
MS (hate his guts) too many laps to be right on pace, and probably well
above it too....

But then again, even MS (hate his guts) is susceptible to driver
preferences, and he could find it hard to get the car set up they way he
wanted it, but having seen MS (hate his guts) at the Paris-Bercy (sp)
kart races, I would be very surprised if that was the case

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David Er

Gordon on Schumacher

by David Er » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00


Modern F1 drivers are major corporate entities in their own right. Their
time is very much taken up with developement, practise, public appearances,
promotional outings, business meeting ,etc. They really don't have the extra
time the heroes of old did to try other stuff. Also they generally have
clauses in their driving contracts that prohibit them from taking part in
other series.

David

Dave Henri

Gordon on Schumacher

by Dave Henri » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00



> > This might get the NASCAR vs. F1 debate rolling again.  :-)

> Not a chance, even the most hadcore Nascar fans would admit to that,
> especially since they'd rather there wasn't any road courses in the WC
> at all, I'd expect most current F1 drivers, including those lapped 2 or
> 3 times, to do well at Sears or Glen in Nascar, if you want to stir
> things up, you need to start talking about how F1 drivers would have
> been on an oval track......

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

  This is what the original IROC series was about.  Mixed drivers on
mixed courses, road and ovals.  It is a REAL REAL REAL shame that
IROC now is nothing more than a Nascar support class.
dave henrie
Scott B. Huste

Gordon on Schumacher

by Scott B. Huste » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

I think I'm going form a union to get that damn server setup right!  <VBG>

Scott
PA-Scott
PowerSims.com


Goy Larse

Gordon on Schumacher

by Goy Larse » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00


>   This is what the original IROC series was about.  Mixed drivers on
> mixed courses, road and ovals.  It is a REAL REAL REAL shame that
> IROC now is nothing more than a Nascar support class.

I don't know the IROC series, but isn't that much the same as Fixed
setups in Nx, you're not allowed to change *anything* ?

And by doing it like that, some guys will actually like the setup, and
some will loathe it, in the Paris-Bercy (sp) kart races, everyone uses
identical karts, but they are allowed some small mods to the karts to
fine tune the handling a bit, tire pressures and such, but you're not
allowed to change the chassis or engine, so if anyone could come up with
something similar, and the IROC series might be the best starting point
for something like this, I think it could be really great

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Edward Whit

Gordon on Schumacher

by Edward Whit » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

Well put, Scott, F1 drivers are fantastic at what they do, but take away the
wings, the wide tires, and strap on another 1500 lbs. of ballast, and let's
see how well they get around.....Gordon, Wallace, Rudd, or any of the other
WC roadracers would be fun to watch in an F1 car, as well.
My $.02

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> Goy,

> Although I believe F1 drivers are at the top of the list of the most
skilled
> road course racers in the world, Im not so sure they could jump in a
Winston
> Cup Stock Car and beat the Gordon or some of the other good NASCAR Winston
> Cup road course drivers.  Driving a WC Car around a road course is a HUGE
> difference than an F1 or any other type of open wheel car.

> That does not mean I am saying the WC guys are better road course racers.
> I'm just saying they are better at driving Winston Cup cars on road
courses.
> <G>

> Scott
> PA-Scott
> PowerSims.com




> > > This might get the NASCAR vs. F1 debate rolling again.  :-)

> > Not a chance, even the most hadcore Nascar fans would admit to that,
> > especially since they'd rather there wasn't any road courses in the WC
> > at all, I'd expect most current F1 drivers, including those lapped 2 or
> > 3 times, to do well at Sears or Glen in Nascar, if you want to stir
> > things up, you need to start talking about how F1 drivers would have
> > been on an oval track......

> > Beers and cheers
> > (uncle) Goy

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Goy Larse

Gordon on Schumacher

by Goy Larse » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00


> I think I'm going form a union to get that damn server setup right!  <VBG>

Uh oh, hell just froze !!!

What is your problem btw, I use Netscape and there's a setting to remove
messages older than xx number of days, I use 5, and it's not
unmanageable, I'm sure there's something similar in Outlook ?

Beers and cheers
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Gordon on Schumacher

by Bria » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

A few modern F1 drivers have (some before they reached F1, most after they
left F1) such as J. Villeneuve, A. Zanardi, Mark Blundel, Christian
Fittipaldi, Jan Magnusson, Nigel Mansell, ...  I expect Juan Pablo Montoya
to be in F1 by 2001/2.

It would be interesting if a few tried it while they were in F1.  It's just
that most F1 drivers only drive one series at a time (hardly see any current
drivers trying touring cars or Lemans).  Probably a result of their
contracts, amount of testing, setup work, and practice that goes on in any
of these series.

Brian



> (snipped)
> >if you want to stir things up, you need to start talking about how F1
> drivers would have been on an oval track......

> I for one wish that modern F1 drivers would try some oval racing.  I love
> watching old clips of Jim Clark, Graham Hill, Surtees and many others at
> Indy.  These guys were responsible for significant advances in US open
wheel
> racing and were very successful.  If these legends didn't turn up their
> noses at oval tracks, why do modern F1 drivers do so?

Scott B. Huste

Gordon on Schumacher

by Scott B. Huste » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

Goy,

I honestly don't know.  I have Outlook setup to delete messages 5 days after
they are downloaded.  Well, Jacobs never disappear <G>  With 45,000 headers,
the compacting of the folder sometimes locks up my Outlook.  Closing down
Outlook sometimes takes 5 minutes when Ive read his newsgroup.  It not only
happens at my home pc, but it happens on my work PC as well which is a 1
week old PC <VBG>

N3.discussion is the only newsgroup I have problems with.

Scott
PA-Scott
PowerSims.com

Chri

Gordon on Schumacher

by Chri » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

Nigel Mansell.

Nuff said.

Chris

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|> This might get the NASCAR vs. F1 debate rolling again.  :-)
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|Not a chance, even the most hadcore Nascar fans would admit to that,
|especially since they'd rather there wasn't any road courses in the WC
|at all, I'd expect most current F1 drivers, including those lapped 2 or
|3 times, to do well at Sears or Glen in Nascar, if you want to stir
|things up, you need to start talking about how F1 drivers would have
|been on an oval track......
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|Beers and cheers
|(uncle) Goy
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