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by **Maps** » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

>I went out and bought a Thrustmaster T2 with pedals from a friend for
>$50.

><snip you going faster (congrats!)>

>If you want an incredible pair of pedals for your racing, I really suggest
>getting CH pedals. Not the Pro pedals (well take them if you want the extra
>quality), but the normal ones. They do an excellent job for airsims as
>well, and they are seriously a killer to add to your joystick or even the
>T2.

I've got some CH pedals, and I remember in ICR2 discovering that I
never could match my CH pedal/CH FLight Yoke times after I got my T2.
I think I did try putting the CH pedals on the T2- but it didn't work
for some reason.

But they are compatible? And can I split the axis with the switch of
the CH pedals? If so, I guess I'll try it all over again, see what
went wrong.

by **^Frett** » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Hello Dave;
First thank you for your informative reply!!
I see what you mean but when I "trailbrake" I am usually feathering
my gas and brake in "synchopastion"{my word.} I raced motorcyles
professionally many moons ago and this is how we got thru the turns
chicanes etc. We'd dive into each turn almost till we were sliding off
the bikes on the low side. Then feather the gas/brake as hard & fast
as we could. {I raced mostly 1/4, 1/2 + 1 mile dirt and short-track}
The same work great {For me} in Gpl too! Its alot of fun too! Next
I have to get the right stick for SBK so I can do it here too..
I need a stick that I can brake/gas togther. Is there such an animal?
All suggestions are welcome!! Cheers Thom j. aka ^Fretts.

> Well, you can somewhat... trail braking in the real sense means you are
> finishing your braking and turning in at the same time... you have the
> brakes on lightly as the turn starts. With the right setup, this can
> allow you to brake later and still get a nice turn-in.

> I have a Flightstick (old, beatup and as loose as a 60-year-old ***)
> and I can "occasionally" do it... Wolfie I think may do it more, but he
> obviously has more finesse on the j-stick than me. But you can do it, it
> just takes concentration and smoothness.

> --Dave

> "^Fretts

> > I started using a sim steering wheel when I first got Gpl in Nov. 98.
> > Since
> > 93 I used the CH F-16 Combat stick with all sims. Since I "trail'brake"
> > all
> > the time in Gpl I went to the TM Sprint Wheel with gas/brake paddles on
> > the steering wheel. {I can't use my feet/legs cause of a serious problem}
> > So the Sprint is perfect for me!! I am no Graeme Nash, Wolf Woeger or
> > Dave Mansell. I know I have not listed 1/100th of the hotshoes out there
> > & I am sorry if I missed you!
> > Bottom line: {For Me} is I wonder how you "trail'brake" with a joystick
> > only using an X+ or X- axis.? You can't "trail'brake" very well with this
> > can you? Also did anyone ask "Wolf W" how he races so well without
> > pedals? I'd hope that Wolf might be nice enough to share his technique
> > with us without giving away any secrets! So does anyone on this <ng>
> > know Wolf Woeger to ask? {Just thinking aloud}
> > All the above is only IMO.. Cheers Thom j. aka ^Fretts...

> > > Dag Dab It!

> > > I went out and bought a Thrustmaster T2 with pedals from a friend for
> > > $50.

> > > Guess what?? Arghhh. I do better with my TM Topgun stick and CH
> > > Pedals! I have tried for 3 days to get used to the wheel and TM pedals
> > > to no avail.
> > > Is it me or what?
> > > At the Glen, in GPL, the best I could do with the wheel is 1:38.00
> > > That sucks.
> > > I can do 1:20.00 with the stick.
> > > And these TM Pedals are garbage IMHO. The pedals are way too close,
> > > and they tip over when pressing the gas.. To make matters worse the
> > > pedal rotates about 30 degrees so when you go full pedal the pedal
> > > rotates forward, making me loose foot grip on it.
> > > As for the space between the pedals.. Come on.. Did they make these
> > > pedals for people with size 4 shoes? If I drive one footed (like you
> > > do in a normal car) I keep hitting both the gas and brake when I
> > > change pedals.. If I drive two footed (One on brake and one on gas)
> > > the damn pedal device lifts off the floor toward my feet.
> > > I then tried TOCA 2 with the wheel... Jesus... I got a work out just
> > > trying to keep the car straight...
> > > The distance you have to turn the wheel versus flicking my wrist with
> > > the stick is too far. My hands have to travel roughly a foot plus to
> > > make the wheel turn the same distance I can turn using the stick my
> > > moving my hand maybe 4 inches.

> > > Funny how my $20 stick that I bought 2 years ago is better than a
> > > wheel.
> > > I thought a wheel is supposed to make you better, not worse?
> > > Am I crazy?

> > > --
> > > -Gunslinger-

> --
> Dave Schwabe
> The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/~schwabe

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by **^Frett** » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Tadej;
First thank you for your reply!
At least I "kinda" know how Wolf W races! I too use the brake
ratio of 53-54% in all my new setups & it helps me slide better.
If you read my reply to Dave Schwabe you will see why I race
the way I do.
My only draw'back is I must do all my stuff on the wheel. This
gets tense at times when I'm down shifting into{eg Lesmo}just
starting to setup for a right turn.. Then feather my gas/brake in
a syncopated manner! Any ideas? Remember I'm doing all on
the steering wheel with a pair of hands 2'thumbs/8'fingers. ;O)
Thom j. aka ^Fretts..

> I know him well, we chat sometimes via ICQ. :o)
> The thing is that Wolfie doesn't trail brake much,
> but when he does, his setup is understeering enough
> so he doesn't have to correct with tapping the brake.

> It's that simple. And btw. you can be fast without trail
> braking too. Another approach is to use little brake ratio
> (at 53 or 54%) which causes the ideal braking into the
> turn and you can brake and turn, but obviously all in the
> friction circle because you can't reach over the limit and
> stay on the track for a long time ;-)

> Cheers,
> Tadej

> ^Fretts

> > I started using a sim steering wheel when I first got Gpl in Nov. 98.
> > Since
> > 93 I used the CH F-16 Combat stick with all sims. Since I "trail'brake"
> > all
> > the time in Gpl I went to the TM Sprint Wheel with gas/brake paddles on
> > the steering wheel. {I can't use my feet/legs cause of a serious problem}
> > So the Sprint is perfect for me!! I am no Graeme Nash, Wolf Woeger or
> > Dave Mansell. I know I have not listed 1/100th of the hotshoes out there
> > & I am sorry if I missed you!
> > Bottom line: {For Me} is I wonder how you "trail'brake" with a joystick
> > only using an X+ or X- axis.? You can't "trail'brake" very well with this
> > can you? Also did anyone ask "Wolf W" how he races so well without
> > pedals? I'd hope that Wolf might be nice enough to share his technique
> > with us without giving away any secrets! So does anyone on this <ng>
> > know Wolf Woeger to ask? {Just thinking aloud}
> > All the above is only IMO.. Cheers Thom j. aka ^Fretts...

> > > Dag Dab It!

> > > I went out and bought a Thrustmaster T2 with pedals from a friend for
> > > $50.

> > > Guess what?? Arghhh. I do better with my TM Topgun stick and CH
> > > Pedals! I have tried for 3 days to get used to the wheel and TM pedals
> > > to no avail.
> > > Is it me or what?
> > > At the Glen, in GPL, the best I could do with the wheel is 1:38.00
> > > That sucks.
> > > I can do 1:20.00 with the stick.
> > > And these TM Pedals are garbage IMHO. The pedals are way too close,
> > > and they tip over when pressing the gas.. To make matters worse the
> > > pedal rotates about 30 degrees so when you go full pedal the pedal
> > > rotates forward, making me loose foot grip on it.
> > > As for the space between the pedals.. Come on.. Did they make these
> > > pedals for people with size 4 shoes? If I drive one footed (like you
> > > do in a normal car) I keep hitting both the gas and brake when I
> > > change pedals.. If I drive two footed (One on brake and one on gas)
> > > the damn pedal device lifts off the floor toward my feet.
> > > I then tried TOCA 2 with the wheel... Jesus... I got a work out just
> > > trying to keep the car straight...
> > > The distance you have to turn the wheel versus flicking my wrist with
> > > the stick is too far. My hands have to travel roughly a foot plus to
> > > make the wheel turn the same distance I can turn using the stick my
> > > moving my hand maybe 4 inches.

> > > Funny how my $20 stick that I bought 2 years ago is better than a
> > > wheel.
> > > I thought a wheel is supposed to make you better, not worse?
> > > Am I crazy?

> > > --
> > > -Gunslinger-

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > Thom j.

> > HTML Mail
> > Additional Information:
> > Last Name j.
> > First Name Thom
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by **Alexander Mar** » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

You can be fast with whatever controller suits your style. Me and my brother
often do short Races on a LAN and because we have only one wheel and he
doesn't like driving with the CH Flightstick, i'll use it to drive and my
Laptimes are often even faster than those I can do with the T2 (1.05x at
the Glen compared to 1.06x with the T2). The only problem I have with the
stick is that after a while my arm gets very, very tired and i can't
maintain the neccessary precision any longer. In longer races the wheel is
much better than the stick IMHO.

by **Martin Urs** » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

>'Slinger... you use pushing forward on the stick as accelerate, pulling
>back as brake and side-to-side for the obvious. Buttons do the
>shifting... I haven't lapped the Glen in a while, but i've gone 1:04.3
>in the Lotus and 1:04.9 in the Brabham with a dilapitated FlightStick in
>the above configuration....

I always thought I'd need to upgrade my present TM GP1 to a
dual-axis pedal setup in order to crack 1:05. Now I know I just
suck... :-)
On the plus side, I already own a dilapidated Flightstick so
I'm halfway there!

Martin
Nigel Mansell RIP!

by **Mike Rodrigue** » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

GP2 trained me to do that in a hurry!

Mikey
(Still feeling my trusty old CH Flightstick!)
<too easy a shot - don't take it>

by **ymenar** » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

I had them to work... I had to do some tweaking, still (because the second
axis of Joystick 1 wasn't allowed). You can split them or not (single or
dual-axis). Try to install the CH Pedal software on their website
(chproducts.com).

--
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-- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/
-- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

by **ymenar** » Fri, 09 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Well that's exactly what I had in mind. Tyre wear is almost the most
important aspect on ovals (well Im excluding those short pickups race, real
racing is on 30%+ lenghts ;-D ). There is always some exceptions, but I
guess they are much more rare than with GPL due to the nature of racing on
ovals.

I agree :-)

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-- May the Downforce be with you...

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how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

by **Jet Jagu** » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:54:57 -0400, "CombatWombat" <COMBATWOMBAT(REMOVE

>As for the peddles moving around and being too close together, i can agree
>with you there. You can remedy the sliding. I got some of this ***y
>sheet stuff (real specific i know, think it's used in cabinets so you don't
>scratch up the good dishes) and simply put the peddles on top of that.

To keep my T2 pedals from sliding around, I made a sort of holder from
a 1 inch (2.5 cm) thick piece of wood. It's 17 inches (43 cm) long
and has a notch cut into it to hold the pedals, with a couple of slots
for the pedals to move back and forth in. the back edge of the wood
is against the wall to keep the pedals sliding forward and the notch
keeps it from sliding from side to side. The 17 inch length was
determined to be the best distance for my desk and driving position,
so that distance would probably be different for you (put the pedals
where you like them and measure to the wall, adding an inch or so to
allow for the notch). It's 23 inches (58 cm) wide, but that's because
that is how wide the piece of wood happened to be before I cut it.

As for the pedals being too close together, I know what you mean but I
manage to get by. I find it's not a problem for me unless I'm wearing
shoes. The pedals are not symmetrical, so maybe you could take the
brake pedal off, flip it upside down, and reattach it to the other
side of the pedal arm. Again, they are not symmetrical so I don't
know how well this would work, if it would work at all. There's a peg
stop to keep the pedal from flipping too far back and it looks like it
might be a problem. Maybe it could be cut off and moved.

---
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by **Peter Gag** » Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:00:00

> WITHOUT PEDALS?? But how? If you just use buttons then you have
> instant gas and instant brake, no in between.
> I don't see how it is possible.

It is if you use the joystick forward and backwards motion as throttle
and braking.

8-)

*Peter* #:-)

by **Eldre** » Sun, 11 Apr 1999 04:00:00

1:03?!? How did he attach the warp nacelles to his Lotus(or whatever)?

Eldred

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by **Eldre** » Sun, 11 Apr 1999 04:00:00

>>As for the peddles moving around and being too close together, i can agree
>>with you there. You can remedy the sliding. I got some of this ***y
>>sheet stuff (real specific i know, think it's used in cabinets so you don't
>>scratch up the good dishes) and simply put the peddles on top of that.

>To keep my T2 pedals from sliding around, I made a sort of holder from
>a 1 inch (2.5 cm) thick piece of wood. It's 17 inches (43 cm) long
>and has a notch cut into it to hold the pedals, with a couple of slots
>for the pedals to move back and forth in. the back edge of the wood
>is against the wall to keep the pedals sliding forward and the notch
>keeps it from sliding from side to side. The 17 inch length was
>determined to be the best distance for my desk and driving position,
>so that distance would probably be different for you (put the pedals
>where you like them and measure to the wall, adding an inch or so to
>allow for the notch). It's 23 inches (58 cm) wide, but that's because
>that is how wide the piece of wood happened to be before I cut it.

If you're racing on carpet, try this -

Take the feet off the base. Get a couple strips of velcro connectors. Attach
the 'hook' part of the velcro to the bottom ot the pedal base. It sticks to
the carpet great, and is still easily removable. :)

Eldred

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