But because of your hatred for the Horned One, you avoid watching what is
usually pretty damned good racing... Sounds like you're shortchanging
yourself.
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He's using classic capitalism - that is to say, voting with his dollar. By not watching the IRL he, in essence, is not supporting the companies that help sponsor and fund it. In the U.S., companies get the message quicker that way than any other way. Not that any one individual can make a big difference, but if several thousand individuals did the same then change would come - OR - bankruptcy would be imminent!
Wag
>aww craaap...
> I don't choose one because of perceived superiority..but rather because
>the other one has been possessed by the very source of all things evil.
>It's that simple really. Osama? Adolf? Joesph?, Pol? All amateurs
>compared to the prince of darkness.
But because of your hatred for the Horned One, you avoid watching what is
usually pretty damned good racing... Sounds like you're shortchanging
yourself.
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I always wondered the same type of thing about NASCAR fans who love one make of
car because their favorite driver uses it, and absolutely *hate* any other
brand. What happens if their favorite driver changes teams? Do the fans
suddenly lose their vile feelings for the car manufacture they've hated for the
past several years? I wonder if Tony Stewart fans who couldn't STAND Chevy are
eating crow this year...
For me to stop using a product that I've enjoyed for years would require the
maker to have done some seriously bad thing. Sponsoring a race series isn't
it...
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>>He's using classic capitalism - that is to say, voting with his
>>dollar. = By not watching the IRL he, in essence, is not supporting
>>the companies = that help sponsor and fund it. In the U.S., companies
>>get the message = quicker that way than any other way. Not that any
>>one individual can = make a big difference, but if several thousand
>>individuals did the same = then change would come - OR - bankruptcy
>>would be imminent!
> No he isn't voting with his dollar. He just hates T*** G****.
are the RAISINS?> I don't think so
Cut off my arm...do I not bleed? Cut off my other arm, do I not offer
vengance? Cut off my legs do I not threaten you with a *** chewing?
Here I lay, a legless, armless wreck of a man...and WHY?
.
produced by World Wide Pants. AND I don't eat Wheaties.
Odd that, I've been kindof a mixed breed fan. I often prefer Makes
over drivers..So that when Richard Petty was a Dodge/Plymouth driver, he
was indeed the King. But when he transgressed that one year and drove a
Torino...that was bad. Ferrari was always a choice of mine back in the
day when they hardly won. It was always the evil Empire of Mclaren/h****
and Prost against the Flavor of the week Scuderia driver. Then when
Prost joined Ferrari...he was suddenly ok in my book. I've never
understood the why of my likes. Name a series and I'll tellya the good
and the bad.
I followed Al Unser Jr for most of my *** life and Big Al for years
before that, But I let Jr go when he crossed over. ...I don't even have
the Al Jr Tshirt anymore. :)
Just know that if the track at Indianapolis got state money...I'd turn
south or north and drive around Indiana.
Thats committed...I mean Commitment!
Dave Henrie
I am...just a simple man.
Excuse me, but let's take a look at this. You made this comment. "Sorry, but the car models are much higher quality in the PWF
mod"
Now, you mention something about the Viper, but in a following email you state "I don't know for sure. I just notice the Viper
because I spent a lot of time working on custom paint jobs for it for the leagues that I am in"
So you first generalize that our car models were lower quality than PWF, but then you follow up that you are not sure about the
rest, just that the Viper has a problem. And that is precisely my point. You don't know...you just said your OPINION, not
based on fact, which is what the first guy did.
If I would rather argue than fix our problems, we wouldn't have this link:
http://www.tptcc.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=2305
or this link:
http://www.tptcc.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=2742
..or wouldn't be working towards providing a fix for the damage or the online racing damage boxes.
I'm more than happy to take any *constructive* criticism. What I won't take is people stating opinions as fact, especially when
they don't bother to research.
Cheers!
?? Jan Kohl
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take is people stating opinions as fact, especially when
Ok, fact, I'll take your word for it. Does that also take into
consideration the overall Polycount of the two models? This sure seems to
be a-lot of quibbling over two mods. I don't know how many polys each
model uses and I don't know the target they were shooting for.
Does one vastly dwarf the other? They both work, they both convey an
overall impression of Road Racing. There are plenty here who have
complained about the patch physics themselves.
I would rather see the imbedded flaws like ride height figured out, and
I will also state that TPTCC is the 1st release from the pits, is not
final, and you are comparing it to the 3rd product from PWF.
I don't paint...that's why I have teammates... :) but the overall look
of the TPTCC Viper is less wrong than the look of the PWF to my eye.
dave henrie
You know, if that is what you would have originally said, I would have
AGREED with you and moved on. Because you are correct with that
statement. But that isn't even close to what you said...
Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I completely agree with
that and stand up for their right to do so. However, when putting forth
their opinion as FACT (and telling someone else so), then they need to
either say that it IS their opinion, or do the proper research. They did
neither, nor did you.
So you think that I should not say something at all when someone makes
erroneous claims about our mod? And let you save face by not
disagreeing with you? You're full of ***if you say that. I have just
as much right to be on here as anyone else, and if someone makes some
incorrect comments about something WE BUILT, I am MORE than within my
rights to correct them. And quit pulling this PWF vs The Pits crap. I
in no means insulted PWF at all, I asked you to clarify what means you
were using to judge both mods, which both have their (known) faults.
Stand up for what you're saying, instead of trying to drag this other
***into it. HE said something that was incorrect, YOU did too, and I
corrected you. And since you still want to argue that point, let's
rewind one more time...
Timmy said:
What graphics? The cars? The menu screen? The***pit? And I'm not
going into the other comments, which some of them were easy to prove
incorrect, such as the "more downloadable cars".
Haqsau said:
(and then went on to make an example of the Viper)
Car models? I notice you didn't mention the GT, Mustang or Corvette.
Is it perhaps that they have JUST AS GOOD quality with PWF? Had the
original person or you made the comment I quoted at the top of this post,
I would have not said a word and moved on. Frankly, I didn't
even realise there was a problem with the rear of our Viper, but after
you made that comment I went back and asked our 3do guys and they told
me that they had noticed it later, but fixing it would require remapping
the car (and thus scrapping a ton of paintjobs).
And that's for your comment about the fact that I'd rather argue than fix problem.
Oh, really? You're going to "grind my face in it?" Hmmmmmmm.
The reason it didn't work is because your point was invalid, and because I DO give
a shit. I have perfect right to correct someone who incorrectly comments about our mod,
and if you look back in the RAS archives and on several message boards,
I think you'll find that PWF has also made similar comments when someone
incorrectly commented about them or their mods. Are they not allowed to
do so as well? You'll even find examples of Papy employees (and other
company reps) who have commented on RAS to defend themselves against
some incorrect statements. Did YOU decide that they should not do so either?
If you look back in RAS archives, you'll find several examples of where
I defend The Pits against incorrect comments...well before you ever
posted on RAS. I will continue to do so as long as I run The Pits, and
most of the people here on RAS (who have been around awhile) know and
understand that. And I'm certainly not going to back down because you
disagreed with my assessment. As I state at the top of this
thread...when you're correct (and doing it constructively), I'll be glad
to uphold your right to make ANY comment about our mod.
Cheers!
Jan
1) Go back and read Timmy Ferrell's note again. Your response was uncalled
for. He made a very simple statement. You read far more into than was
really there and then came out flaming. That was asinine. And btw I don't
care who else has said what in the past, I'm talking to you, not to them.
2) There are no inconsistencies in what I said, only inconsistencies in how
you chose to interpret it. In the future you might want to try to
understand a person's meaning instead of re-interpreting everything they say
to suit your petty prejudices. Most arguments start not due to real
differences of opinion but rather due to people refusing to understand each
other. Had you made an effort to understand either Timmy or me most of this
conversation would have been completely unnecessary.
Goodbye.
<snipped crap>
> Whatever. <snippety>
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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> 1) Go back and read Timmy Ferrell's note again. Your response was
uncalled
> for. He made a very simple statement. You read far more into than was
> really there and then came out flaming. That was asinine. And btw I
don't
> care who else has said what in the past, I'm talking to you, not to them.
> 2) There are no inconsistencies in what I said, only inconsistencies in
how
> you chose to interpret it. In the future you might want to try to
> understand a person's meaning instead of re-interpreting everything they
say
> to suit your petty prejudices. Most arguments start not due to real
> differences of opinion but rather due to people refusing to understand
each
> other. Had you made an effort to understand either Timmy or me most of
this
> conversation would have been completely unnecessary.
> Goodbye.
> <snipped crap>
