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GPL--What is the deal with Monaco and going fast?

Eldre

GPL--What is the deal with Monaco and going fast?

by Eldre » Sat, 31 Mar 2001 06:14:12



><snip>
>> I'm usually VERY patient and restrained - until I hit the bales in the
>f'king
>> chicanes...<g>
><snip>

>Don't aim at the opening (between the bales). Aim for some spot near tabac.
>You'll need to go (almost) in a straight line through the chicane. The
>easiest way to manage that is to floor the throttle, as the car is more
>stable when accelerating.

>Good luck.

>Jon Andersen

Floor it?!?  Hehe...I'll send you the bill for the wrecked Ferraris...<g>

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Andre Warrin

GPL--What is the deal with Monaco and going fast?

by Andre Warrin » Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:00:17


He's right though - when you drive over the bump you have to lift the
throttle a little bit, after that look ahead to the line you're going
to pick through the chicane, floor it, and then stop worrying about
hitting the haybales, have confidence that you are going to make it.

It's one of those stupid Zen thingies: if you worry about hitting the
haybales, you probably will***up - if you are very confident you
are going to make it, you will make it.
Mostly :)

When talking about Monaco, most people mention the chicane as the
hardest point. I myself have much more trouble with the corner in the
tunnel - when driving a bit slower it's no problem, but try taking the
corner as fast as Huttu - now -that- is hard.. I never got that corner
quite right.

Andre

Olav K. Malm

GPL--What is the deal with Monaco and going fast?

by Olav K. Malm » Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:19:39



> >>Don't aim at the opening (between the bales). Aim for some spot near tabac.
> >>You'll need to go (almost) in a straight line through the chicane. The
> >>easiest way to manage that is to floor the throttle, as the car is more
> >>stable when accelerating.

> >>Good luck.

> >>Jon Andersen

> >Floor it?!?  Hehe...I'll send you the bill for the wrecked Ferraris...<g>

> >Eldred

> He's right though - when you drive over the bump you have to lift the
> throttle a little bit, after that look ahead to the line you're going
> to pick through the chicane, floor it, and then stop worrying about
> hitting the haybales, have confidence that you are going to make it.

> It's one of those stupid Zen thingies: if you worry about hitting the
> haybales, you probably will***up - if you are very confident you
> are going to make it, you will make it.
> Mostly :)

LOL! Jason Crossley told me during IGLPC pracice that I had to floor
it through the chicane. I did, survived the chicane, but got so much
adrenaline pumping that i messed up the next tight lefthander :)

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Jan Verschuere

GPL--What is the deal with Monaco and going fast?

by Jan Verschuere » Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:44:10

LOL... that one sure struck a chord with me. The old "nail a corner and mess
up the next one as you arrive there much faster than ever before"-scenario.
Been there, done that... no T-shirt. ;-)

Jan.
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Andre Warrin

GPL--What is the deal with Monaco and going fast?

by Andre Warrin » Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:20:15



>LOL! Jason Crossley told me during IGLPC pracice that I had to floor
>it through the chicane. I did, survived the chicane, but got so much
>adrenaline pumping that i messed up the next tight lefthander :)

LOL, -everybody- has that the first time they nail the hairpin right
:))

Andre

Andre Warrin

GPL--What is the deal with Monaco and going fast?

by Andre Warrin » Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:23:27



>LOL! Jason Crossley told me during IGLPC pracice that I had to floor
>it through the chicane. I did, survived the chicane, but got so much
>adrenaline pumping that i messed up the next tight lefthander :)

By the way, I had the same thing yesterday at the Ring:
I FINALLY got the lefthander after the long straight right, allmost
full speed, and after that I realized too late that I now had much
more speed to the next corner, so my normal braking point was MUCH too
late now - another Lotus wrecked at the Ring :))

Andre

Peter Ive

GPL--What is the deal with Monaco and going fast?

by Peter Ive » Sun, 01 Apr 2001 02:02:41



Ok, it's been a while, but here's my take on going fast here:

Car setup: I used Alison Hine's Ferrari setup, but on the Lotus instead.
I have needed to make few changes with this setup, apart from the
gearing  - to ensure that I had a quick enough top gear - and the brake
balance - moved it back a click or 2 to avoid way too many front wheel
lockups.

Saint Devote - for safer braking get off the driving line and move
towards the centre of the track.  This allows you to brake more in a
straight line resulting in less chance of the car spinning out under
braking and doesn't seem to cost much in lost time due to a narrower
entry angle.

Massanet - you should be in top gear before reaching the crest, but just
before you get to it, brake a little and change down a gear.  Then, once
you've cleared the crest, brake hard and down 2 more gears.  If you've
left it too late and the car starts to drift wide with the back end
wanting to come around then just turn the fronts hard towards the inside
of the corner (don't try and countersteer).  The car will continue to
drift towards the outside, but you're less likely to end up facing the
wrong way.

*** - just don't try and go too fast here otherwise you'll more than
likely drift too wide and have to back off or hit the barrier or run up
the curb.  Just keep it smooth until you can see down towards Mirabeau
and then get the power down for that short burst.

Mirabeau - don't worry about where to position the car too much here.
Just concentrate on finding a consistent braking point - I used to use
one of the tree shadows - and on not locking the fronts which is real
easy under braking here.  Coming out of Mirabeau for the short run down
to Virage it may be wise to go up to 2nd gear early.  This avoids lots
of wheelspin.

Virage - not much to say here, just get round it without drifting wide.
Followed by the right-hander (don't know its name) which is easy to get
oversteer under braking and turn in here, so be ready to countersteer if
necessary, and don't hit the curb on the inside or outside as it will
just muck things up.  It always looked like I should be able to go
quicker than I actually ever did through here.  It seems wider at first
than you find once you're into the corner.

Portier - getting a good braking point is essential.  Too early and
you're likely to clip the inside or just going too slow.  Too late and
you're heading towards that wall and having to back off.  So, find one
that allows you to brake consistenly for,  because when done right, this
corner's over before you know it.  The car would almost drive itself
through here.

Tunnel - as much as I wanted to be in top gear I never could and would
generally be sticking to 4th through here.  It's possible to go in a
little too quick, but steer towards the inside more than you would
normally.  The extra speed can keep you away from the inside and
hopefully you'll carry that bit of extra speed without running too wide
and up the curb on the outside.  Whatever you do, don't touch that
outside curb as its curtains nearly every time as far as a decent lap is
concerned.

Beau Rivage - like others have said, I very rarely have been able to
just hammer it over the crest as the car nearly always becomes
unbalanced.  Just ease off slightly first - keeping to the right - then,
once clear of it, put the pedal down and head for the gap.  As long as
the car is balanced over the crest then all should be well.  If you
haven't got full control, whether trying to accelerate or not, then
you're going to have problems.

Tabac - if you've carried plenty of speed through Beau Rivage then get
ready to brake earlier than you would normally expect to.  Before even
the darker driving line has been reached.  Get all you're braking done
in a straight line and then turn in pretty aggressively towards the wall
on the inside and then let the car drift towards the outer wall,
ensuring that, as you try to get the power down you don't oversteer, so
you might have to apply a little opposite lock here to avoid this.

Gazometres - like Sainte Devote this is a corner where I get off the
driving line for braking so that I can brake more in a straight line.  I
normally brake down to third before the track curves slightly left and
then get over to the inside, once it starts to straighten out, brake and
down to first for the hairpin.  I find this method a lot more
consistent, otherwise trying to do it all in one go and the car can swap
ends.  It's then just a case of being smooth out of the hairpin and over
the start/finish line for another flying lap.

It's been a while so there's probably a lot of subtle stuff that I've
long since forgotten, but hopefully there's still enough here to work
with.

And what's been my best lap doing all this?  1:25.6 if I recall.  Not
too shabby, I hope. :)
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Rob Adam

GPL--What is the deal with Monaco and going fast?

by Rob Adam » Sun, 01 Apr 2001 04:21:48

When I watched the replay of my best Monaco lap (1:29.76 I think) I couldn't
believe how close my left wheel came to the hay bales through the chicane.
I'm glad I don't drive in F10 view or I would have flinched and crashed!



> >>Don't aim at the opening (between the bales). Aim for some spot near
tabac.
> >>You'll need to go (almost) in a straight line through the chicane. The
> >>easiest way to manage that is to floor the throttle, as the car is more
> >>stable when accelerating.

> >>Good luck.

> >>Jon Andersen

> >Floor it?!?  Hehe...I'll send you the bill for the wrecked Ferraris...<g>

> >Eldred

> He's right though - when you drive over the bump you have to lift the
> throttle a little bit, after that look ahead to the line you're going
> to pick through the chicane, floor it, and then stop worrying about
> hitting the haybales, have confidence that you are going to make it.

> It's one of those stupid Zen thingies: if you worry about hitting the
> haybales, you probably will***up - if you are very confident you
> are going to make it, you will make it.
> Mostly :)

> When talking about Monaco, most people mention the chicane as the
> hardest point. I myself have much more trouble with the corner in the
> tunnel - when driving a bit slower it's no problem, but try taking the
> corner as fast as Huttu - now -that- is hard.. I never got that corner
> quite right.

> Andre

Marc Fraio

GPL--What is the deal with Monaco and going fast?

by Marc Fraio » Sun, 01 Apr 2001 05:56:53




>>>Don't aim at the opening (between the bales). Aim for some spot near tabac.
>>>You'll need to go (almost) in a straight line through the chicane. The
>>>easiest way to manage that is to floor the throttle, as the car is more
>>>stable when accelerating.

>>Floor it?!?  Hehe...I'll send you the bill for the wrecked Ferraris...<g>

> He's right though - when you drive over the bump you have to lift the
> throttle a little bit,

Actually, it depends on the car (and setup, perhaps).  I can reliably
take that hump without lifting in the Eagle.  In the Ferrari, however,
my success rate is more like 1 in 10.  But then, maybe I'm just slower
than you through the tunnel (Maybe-- ha!).

        Marc

Dave Henri

GPL--What is the deal with Monaco and going fast?

by Dave Henri » Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:16:11

  Another Dog-boy who's only goal in life is to make me feel small...:)
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Tim Elhaj

GPL--What is the deal with Monaco and going fast?

by Tim Elhaj » Sun, 01 Apr 2001 14:43:10

Thanks guys. I really apprecaite everyone who took the time to add some
suggestions. I had thought it might be possible to match the papy times
without adjusting any of the setups, just honing my driving skills to the
sharpest and adjusting gas levels. Although I think my driving skills could
still use a ton of sharpening, I've abandoned that idea and have downloaded
Alisons excellent Monaco setups. ;) I managed to shave 2 seconds off my PB
so now I'm at 1:38... I know it's still not that fast, but it's better than
I had last week! I'm going to keep working at it.

I think my big problem is that I'm just not able to get the same amount of
speed going down the first straight where the pits are and the second with
the tunnel is... when I race with the AI, they just blow past me on these.
I suppose this means I need to look at the corners just before those
straights, but it's still hit or miss. My goals is 107% of the papy time
before I move on to the next track. This is actually the hardest track for
me, right after the ring.




> >Man, this track just hates me. I can't figure out how to get a faster
time
> >at Monaco for the life of me. I usually get around 1:40 to 1:45.
Meanwhile
> >the all AI is smoking me by about 10 seconds routinely.

> Ok, it's been a while, but here's my take on going fast here:

> Car setup: I used Alison Hine's Ferrari setup, but on the Lotus instead.
> I have needed to make few changes with this setup, apart from the
> gearing  - to ensure that I had a quick enough top gear - and the brake
> balance - moved it back a click or 2 to avoid way too many front wheel
> lockups.

> Saint Devote - for safer braking get off the driving line and move
> towards the centre of the track.  This allows you to brake more in a
> straight line resulting in less chance of the car spinning out under
> braking and doesn't seem to cost much in lost time due to a narrower
> entry angle.

> Massanet - you should be in top gear before reaching the crest, but just
> before you get to it, brake a little and change down a gear.  Then, once
> you've cleared the crest, brake hard and down 2 more gears.  If you've
> left it too late and the car starts to drift wide with the back end
> wanting to come around then just turn the fronts hard towards the inside
> of the corner (don't try and countersteer).  The car will continue to
> drift towards the outside, but you're less likely to end up facing the
> wrong way.

> *** - just don't try and go too fast here otherwise you'll more than
> likely drift too wide and have to back off or hit the barrier or run up
> the curb.  Just keep it smooth until you can see down towards Mirabeau
> and then get the power down for that short burst.

> Mirabeau - don't worry about where to position the car too much here.
> Just concentrate on finding a consistent braking point - I used to use
> one of the tree shadows - and on not locking the fronts which is real
> easy under braking here.  Coming out of Mirabeau for the short run down
> to Virage it may be wise to go up to 2nd gear early.  This avoids lots
> of wheelspin.

> Virage - not much to say here, just get round it without drifting wide.
> Followed by the right-hander (don't know its name) which is easy to get
> oversteer under braking and turn in here, so be ready to countersteer if
> necessary, and don't hit the curb on the inside or outside as it will
> just muck things up.  It always looked like I should be able to go
> quicker than I actually ever did through here.  It seems wider at first
> than you find once you're into the corner.

> Portier - getting a good braking point is essential.  Too early and
> you're likely to clip the inside or just going too slow.  Too late and
> you're heading towards that wall and having to back off.  So, find one
> that allows you to brake consistenly for,  because when done right, this
> corner's over before you know it.  The car would almost drive itself
> through here.

> Tunnel - as much as I wanted to be in top gear I never could and would
> generally be sticking to 4th through here.  It's possible to go in a
> little too quick, but steer towards the inside more than you would
> normally.  The extra speed can keep you away from the inside and
> hopefully you'll carry that bit of extra speed without running too wide
> and up the curb on the outside.  Whatever you do, don't touch that
> outside curb as its curtains nearly every time as far as a decent lap is
> concerned.

> Beau Rivage - like others have said, I very rarely have been able to
> just hammer it over the crest as the car nearly always becomes
> unbalanced.  Just ease off slightly first - keeping to the right - then,
> once clear of it, put the pedal down and head for the gap.  As long as
> the car is balanced over the crest then all should be well.  If you
> haven't got full control, whether trying to accelerate or not, then
> you're going to have problems.

> Tabac - if you've carried plenty of speed through Beau Rivage then get
> ready to brake earlier than you would normally expect to.  Before even
> the darker driving line has been reached.  Get all you're braking done
> in a straight line and then turn in pretty aggressively towards the wall
> on the inside and then let the car drift towards the outer wall,
> ensuring that, as you try to get the power down you don't oversteer, so
> you might have to apply a little opposite lock here to avoid this.

> Gazometres - like Sainte Devote this is a corner where I get off the
> driving line for braking so that I can brake more in a straight line.  I
> normally brake down to third before the track curves slightly left and
> then get over to the inside, once it starts to straighten out, brake and
> down to first for the hairpin.  I find this method a lot more
> consistent, otherwise trying to do it all in one go and the car can swap
> ends.  It's then just a case of being smooth out of the hairpin and over
> the start/finish line for another flying lap.

> It's been a while so there's probably a lot of subtle stuff that I've
> long since forgotten, but hopefully there's still enough here to work
> with.

> And what's been my best lap doing all this?  1:25.6 if I recall.  Not
> too shabby, I hope. :)
> --
> Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington)
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> No person's opinions can be said to be
> more correct than another's, because each is
> the sole judge of his or her own experience.

Peter Ive

GPL--What is the deal with Monaco and going fast?

by Peter Ive » Mon, 02 Apr 2001 02:44:01



Dave, you should try not to be so *** yourself.  It's only a game,
isn't it?  Hehe.
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Andre Warrin

GPL--What is the deal with Monaco and going fast?

by Andre Warrin » Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:34:36






>>>>Don't aim at the opening (between the bales). Aim for some spot near tabac.
>>>>You'll need to go (almost) in a straight line through the chicane. The
>>>>easiest way to manage that is to floor the throttle, as the car is more
>>>>stable when accelerating.

>>>Floor it?!?  Hehe...I'll send you the bill for the wrecked Ferraris...<g>

>> He's right though - when you drive over the bump you have to lift the
>> throttle a little bit,

>Actually, it depends on the car (and setup, perhaps).  I can reliably
>take that hump without lifting in the Eagle.  In the Ferrari, however,
>my success rate is more like 1 in 10.  But then, maybe I'm just slower
>than you through the tunnel (Maybe-- ha!).

>    Marc

(checking GPLRank) Yes, I think you are :)
Taking the hump at full speed? No way I could do that, the car becomes
way too unstable for the chicane then. I have to check, but I don't
think even Huttu takes that bump without lifting.
I do remember a fast replay of Huttu, in which he takes the tunnel
corner very fast by driving with his left rear wheel over that er..
pavewalk is the correct word? at the left side.
Ok, if I try that, it's guaranteed that I spin my car there..
one of the hardest corners in GPL for me.

Andre

Marc Fraio

GPL--What is the deal with Monaco and going fast?

by Marc Fraio » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 02:08:10





>>Actually, it depends on the car (and setup, perhaps).  I can reliably
>>take that hump without lifting in the Eagle.  In the Ferrari, however,
>>my success rate is more like 1 in 10.  But then, maybe I'm just slower
>>than you through the tunnel (Maybe-- ha!).

> (checking GPLRank) Yes, I think you are :)

Man oh man, why did I ever join that GPLRank thing anyway?  Gives away
all my secrets...  ;-)

Yeah, I know I'm losing a lot of time in the tunnel, so although I
haven't studied this in replays particularly, I'm sure I'm reaching
that hump at a much lower speed than you really fast guys.  But FWIW,
at my current level, I *can* take that hump without lifting in the Eagle
pretty reliably.

Now I know that if I do ever get the tunnel figured out, I'm going to have
an adjustment period where I bend a lot of Eagles at the chicane.  :-)

Sidewalk.

Yeah, if I touch the curb or the sidewalk there I'm done.  Not necessarily
a spin, but I have to back *way* off to save it.

        Marc


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