Who started this ng and when?
Cheers,
Paul
> Who started this ng and when?
Rick
To make this official :
With the help of the newsgroup proposal FTP at
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/
(here is a resume) :
Group Name
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rec.autos.simulators
Status
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Unmoderated
Rationale
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There is an increasing amount of software on the market that
provides simulation of automobiles (both in competitive and
non-competitive circumstances). This software is often
multi-platform and so no platform-dependent newsgroup would
provide an appropriate discussion forum for it. In addition,
rec.autos is an inappropriate forum as that group is not intended
for discussion of software.
It is intended that rec.autos.simulators would provide a forum where
people could discuss such automotive simulation software
irrespective of the platforms on which it runs, and that abstract
technicalities of such software could also be discussed.
Email I have received, plus discussions in various newsgroups
(comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc, rec.autos.sport) and on the F1 Grand
Prix mailing list, has made it clear that such a group would be
welcomed by many usenetters.
Voting
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If all goes according to plan, voting will take place 21 days from
the posting date of this RFD.
This RFD is being posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newsgroups
news.groups
rec.autos
rec.autos.driving
rec.autos.sport
comp.sys.amiga.misc
comp.sys.atari.st
comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc
comp.sys.mac.misc
Follow-ups directed to news.groups
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Newsgroups line:
rec.autos.simulators Discussion of automotive simulators.
Votes must be recieved by 23:59:59 UTC, 27 November 1993.
After the CFV appears in news.announce.newgroups it will be posted by
the proponent to the World Circuit, Formula 1 Grand Prix mailing list
<wcf...@divsun.unige.ch>.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact rdipp...@qualcomm.com. For questions about the
proposed group contact Afzal Ballim <af...@divsun.unige.ch>.
RESULT
unmoderated rec.autos.simulators group vote results - 192 valid votes
Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
170 22 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.autos.simulators
2 invalid votes
Newsgroups line:
rec.autos.simulators Discussion of automotive simulators.
Thus the group passes, and should be newgrouped after the five day
waiting period.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact rdipp...@qualcomm.com. For questions about the
proposed group contact Afzal Ballim <af...@divsun.unige.ch>.
CHARTER
This newsgroup will be used for discussions of realistic computer
simulations of automotive vehicles, irrespective of the platforms on
which said simulations are supported. This will include simulations
which have a competitive component (racing simulations) and those
which do not. Topics will include (but are not restricted to):
o Global characteristics of particular simulations.
o Platform-dependent characteristics of such simulations (as a
convention, it is suggested that such discussions list the
platforms in the subject header, e.g.,
Subject: [ibm-pc,sun] Blog's Yugo simulator
o Design and implementation issues of such simulations.
o Issues of realism in automotive simulation.
o General discussion of automobile simulations.
Obviously, determining whether a particular simulator is "realistic"
requires a judgement call. It is hoped that broad accord between
posters will enable the discernment of valid simulators (for
discussion in this group) from those which are devised for an
entertainment value without concern for realism. Thus, discussion of
many of the arcade racing simulators, which provide an overview
perspective of the vehicle being simulated and which do not attempt to
provide realism of handling of the vehicle, would not be appropriate
in this newsgroup. On the other hand, simulators such as Microprose's
Formula 1 Grand Prix would fall within the purview of this group as
attempts are made to capture realistic handling of the vehicle.
FAQ Outline read more »
A preliminary FAQ is in preparation for the eventuality that the group
passes the vote. The current outline is included here:
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS for rec.autos.simulators
Written by Afzal Ballim
Version: 0.0
Last Update: 26/10/1993
If you think of questions that are appropriate for this FAQ, or would
like to improve an answer, please send email to af...@divsun.unige.ch
Topics Covered:
===============
Part 1:
[1-0] What is the purpose of this newsgroup?
[1-1] What conventions are suggested for subject headings?
[1-2] How do I decide if a simulator is "realistic"?
[1-3] Does discussion on arcade racing games belong here?
Part 2:
[2-0] What realistic racing simulators exist?
[2-1] What platforms support them?
[2-2] What add-ons, editors, updates, etc., exist for these
simulators?
[2-3] Where can I find them?
Part 3:
[3-0] What realistic NON-competitive simulators exists?
[3-1] Where do I start if I want to build a simulator?
[3-2] How do I model <X> in an automotive simulator?
rec.autos.simulators group vote Final Vote Ack
Yes Votes
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01dwwa...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
A.H.He...@midge.bath.ac.uk
ae...@freenet.carleton.ca Christian
Sauve
af...@divsun.unige.ch Afzal
Ballim
ag...@essex.ac.uk Aghanya O
A
a...@fml.tuwien.ac.at Andreas
Haleger
a...@werple.apana.org.au Glenn
Durden
al...@mailhost.cs.pdx.edu Greg
Bowers
an95...@ox.ac.uk Martin
Sturgess
Athanass...@rus.uni-stuttgart.de Eleutherios
Athanassiou
a...@theory.lcs.mit.edu Atul
Shrivastava
biome...@engc.bu.edu Melih
Ucar
bjen...@watson.ibm.com Brian
Jensen
b...@lauto.lmc.com Bob
Boulanger
bo...@star.enet.dec.com Mike Boiko, RdB Performance Group,
381-2362
bts...@pfizer.com Bill
Tsang
c2x...@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com Michael Kelly
Perdue
came...@cs.uct.ac.za
c...@psyc.leeds.ac.uk Driving
Simulator
carre...@bcvms.bc.edu Ismael E.
Carreras
CASTE...@vm.ci.uv.es Javier
Castello
chau...@attmail.com Naren
Chauhan
chu...@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU Chua Hak
Lien
ci...@d0tokensun.fnal.gov Greg
Cisko
cle...@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu Chi
Leong
cm5...@ccub.wlv.ac.uk
C.Coulson
colf...@ucsu.Colorado.EDU Andrew BW
Colfelt
cosc1...@Menudo.UH.EDU
cosc19v2
CP...@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU Kevin
Parker
cr...@sco.COM Craig
Heath
c...@ukc.ac.uk
csro...@eng.clemson.edu Shane
Roach
C...@MUSIC.MUS.POLYMTL.CA Nicolas
Gauvin
d8...@efd.lth.se Kjell
Joenhede
d...@metronet.com Dale
Williams
D...@geog.utoronto.ca Dan
Desousa
David_McCul...@mindlink.bc.ca David
McCullum
decvax!av8r!tchar...@uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com Thomas
Charron
DEG...@dune.sanders.lockheed.com
der...@csrd.uiuc.edu Luiz A. De
Rose
desto...@let.ruu.nl Louis des
Tombe
dmat...@bronze.lcs.mit.edu Dave
Matson
d...@hydra.carleton.CA Dave Perry
VE3IFB
dw...@ccmail.GSFC.NASA.GOV Ward,
David
edsr!...@uunet.UU.NET John E.
Mendenhall
e...@kirkof.psu.edu Everett H
Paddock
emart...@uiuc.edu Eduardo
Martins
e...@mala.bc.ca Lorne
Epp
eric.wyck...@eta.pha.jhu.edu Eric
Wyckoff
esp...@netcom.com Alan F.
Perry
ev...@dehavilland.ca Ed
Vale
field...@iosg.enet.dec.com A person of reduced seriousness...
08-Nov-1993
f...@uvapsy.psy.uva.nl Frans
Oort
fon...@CC.UManitoba.CA
frank...@GAS.uug.Arizona.EDU Gregory C
Franklin
fuer...@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
ge...@softy.softwords.bc.ca Geoff
Seeley
geo...@engin.umich.edu
gt44...@prism.gatech.edu
gt60...@prism.gatech.edu Michael James
Dixon
gwis...@afit.af.mil Gordon
Wishon
ham...@psyc.leeds.ac.uk Hamish
Jamson
he...@vipunen.hut.fi Henrikki T
H{kk{nen
herb...@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at Herbert
Pohlai
holth...@cis.ohio-state.edu
...
Rick
>> Who started this ng and when?
>r.a.s. was started (according to him) by ymenard.
>Rick
> (clip)
Man, you guys have been around for a while :) I didn't
discover the group until late '94!
And then there's this - any relation to Charlie?...
>> The thing about me is a BAD joke... let's not go back there another time..
>> please...
>I know you don't like rehashing bad mistakes. I'm just messing with you
>:)
Actually, I'd be happy if you'd just cut the paranoia and post at
least one useful, informative, and on-topic (ie: *not* about Y2K)
message per day here until Y2K. How about that?
OK, I lied, I'm not that lazy. Can't have a good weenie roast
without some logs on the fire. And I found *plenty*. Here's a
Rickism from 12/9/98...
<<
We are in an *actual crisis* now. Sure we have John Koskinen giving
us his happy-faced reports about how the government is on-track.
Behind the scenes it's a whole different story - a story that isn't
reported in mainstream media yet. Therefore the public at large will
be stunned by a move such as declaring martial law right now. In less
than three weeks, that will all change as millions of systems, public
and private, begin failing due to "look ahead" glitches. This will be
happening on such a large scale that entities won't be able to hide
it. This January will be a time of reckoning for Joe Six-pack who has
kept his head deeply buried in the sand on this issue. It will trigger
banks runs and a panic buying frenzy of biblical proportions.
Or how about this gem from 12/26/98...
<<
And to my adversaries who have attacked my position with vigor: I will
have out-lived my usefulness in 5 days. On January 1, 1999, you won't
need the "crazy moron" in r.a.s. telling you that you'll be cooking
acorn stew in your front yard just to survive.
Only the intentionally ignorant won't see the parallel between the
moronic timing and laughable readiness of international banking
institutions to 'switch' to the Euro dollar, and Y2K. Both have
immovable, legislated deadlines that will be missed.
...
Oh, did I mention the "look ahead" Y2K failures of un-remediated
systems that we will see beginning if just five days? Well, that's
another story, LOL.
I guess I can't complain too much, you were somewhat accurate about
"out-living your usefulness" by Jan. 1, if not sooner. :)
Or this final 1998 send-off (12/31/98)...
<<
"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark
>>I know you don't like rehashing bad mistakes. I'm just messing with you
> :)
Sweet revenge from the Star Trek/Star Wars thread on T.g.s.n. ;-D
Hehehe another time ;-)
-= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/
-= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/
-= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-= May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
<a bunch of quotes form someone>
Jeff, I can't fathom a wild guess what the hell you are talking about.
Did you wake up from a bad dream, or what?
Rick
> <a bunch of quotes form someone>
> Jeff, I can't fathom a wild guess what the hell you are talking about.
> Did you wake up from a bad dream, or what?
> Rick
Philster
> Philster
It's my understanding that the first thing to wane as a direct result of
'Alshaimer's' [sic] is one's own literacy.
You have to admit I had you guys going there for a while. <g>
Rick
<snip>
LOL...Nope, ya didn't fool me for one second. But if all that meaningless
dribble and waste of bandwidth in the countless Y2K posts you've sent was
just light-hearted banter, then you really are one sick puppy !
Lock and load.
Rick