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Papy Acceleration Pack -- thanks to its loyal customers?

Marc Collin

Papy Acceleration Pack -- thanks to its loyal customers?

by Marc Collin » Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Two things: finish patching a product before it gets to the discount bin and
if you are going to release incremental updates to a product (N1, N2,
NR1999, 50th Anniversary, Busch pack, N3, truck pack, etc.), use an upgrade
system like many other software vendors do to allow previous purchasers to
buy-in for less.  It's an incentive for the existing customers to keep
upgrading and it's fair because they don't have to spend MORE than the
not-yet customers.  Basic marketing and customer relations, I would assume,
since it is a very common practise.

Of course, many in this group will buy everything regardless, but try
watching customers in a store looking at N2, NR1999 and N3 all at the same
time and trying to figure out which one they should buy.  It's not so easy
to sort through all the choices when you don't follow it as closely as we
do.  How many people will know that N3-->N4 is going to be a huge leap in
realism while N2-->N3 is not.  If you read the box for N3, you would not
assume it was just N2 3dfx with FFB and a physics tweak.


> Again, what do you want them to do then?

> Refund everyone that already bought the product some money?  You are
saying
> that you do not like this, but you are not even saying there are any other
> possible solutions.  The only thing they could do is to put a $120 cost on
> the new package if you want them to go by your philosophy.

> Are you saying they should not put out a Compilation pack at all?  Why
not?
> If it helps to bring more people into the sim-racing community, I am all
for
> it.  Heck, I would not care if they gave N3 away even though I paid my $50
> for it.


> > I believe you can buy the trucks separately...but for those people who
buy
> > N3, NL and trucks, they are spending more than double the amount the new
> > pack costs.  That was my point.  Who are your best customers...the ones
> who
> > anticipate your work and buy it right away or the late comers who will
> only
> > purchase a bargain-bin compilation pack?  For old stuff, that is the
> > expected pattern.  For current product, I don't expect that.

> > Marc.





> > > > I guess in all of the masturbatory fervour regarding F12000 warez
> > > > downloading and testing, an important development has been
overlooked
> > here
> > > > at r.a.s. (though discussed elsewhere).

> > > > From the Papy.com website:

> > > > The NASCAR? Acceleration Pack includes our award winning NASCAR
> Racing?
> > 3,
> > > > NASCAR? Legends, and brand new for 2000: NASCAR? Racing 3 Craftsman
> > Truck
> > > > Expansion Pack.  Three top titles in one package for one great
price.

> > > > Does anyone have a problem with this package being released in this
> > > format?
> > > > Or are you all happy that you paid full price for N3 and NL and the
> > > patches
> > > > aren't even out for them yet?  I am all for bargain bin compilations
> and
> > > > great deals, but is N4 that close that N3 and NL are just discount
> > titles?
> > > > Something doesn't make sense here?

> > > > I guess I would not want my most loyal early-adopter customers to
have
> > to
> > > > pay more for my CURRENT products than a late adopter.  Old stuff,
> fine,
> > > but
> > > > as I said, do N3 and NL qualify as old already?

> > > > Marc.

> > >      I for one am not happy with this sales philosophy at all !! I was
> > more
> > > than willing to purchase the Truck expansion pack for $25-30. But I'm
> not
> > > going to buy this package for what must be $50 or more.

> > >      I already own Nascar3, don't plan on purchasing Nascar Legends,
but
> I

> > > wanted the trucks. So I guess I'll just pass on this whole deal.
Another
> > > dumb ass merchandising plan by Sierra.

> > > Joel Willstein


Stiff on

Papy Acceleration Pack -- thanks to its loyal customers?

by Stiff on » Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Unfortunately Mark customer relations is something Sierra/Papyrus knows
nothing about. Like I have said in the past I will never pay for another
Sierra/Papyrus title again........
Al Stiff
"Some people think ymenard is an ***, I'm one of them"


Jan Verschuere

Papy Acceleration Pack -- thanks to its loyal customers?

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Francois has done a lot more for simracing than you'll be able to accomplish
in any field in your lifetime. Especially with that attitude.

Jan.
=---

Cliff Roma

Papy Acceleration Pack -- thanks to its loyal customers?

by Cliff Roma » Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:00:00

What software game out there can you buy upgrades??

Last time I checked, everytime you bought the new Links, new Madden or
whatever, you had to buy the full game.  You can not just go and buy a
upgrade to it.  The only thing they do is put out Addon packs and that is
what CTS is. Papy is not doing anything different than any other company
does.  I still have a hard time believing that Papy put out N3 (which in my
mind was fine out of the box), then decided to HELP the online community by
trying to improve that for us, and people complain.  Maybe they should have
just left it like it was out of the box and said to hell with it.


> Two things: finish patching a product before it gets to the discount bin
and
> if you are going to release incremental updates to a product (N1, N2,
> NR1999, 50th Anniversary, Busch pack, N3, truck pack, etc.), use an
upgrade
> system like many other software vendors do to allow previous purchasers to
> buy-in for less.  It's an incentive for the existing customers to keep
> upgrading and it's fair because they don't have to spend MORE than the
> not-yet customers.  Basic marketing and customer relations, I would
assume,
> since it is a very common practise.

> Of course, many in this group will buy everything regardless, but try
> watching customers in a store looking at N2, NR1999 and N3 all at the same
> time and trying to figure out which one they should buy.  It's not so easy
> to sort through all the choices when you don't follow it as closely as we
> do.  How many people will know that N3-->N4 is going to be a huge leap in
> realism while N2-->N3 is not.  If you read the box for N3, you would not
> assume it was just N2 3dfx with FFB and a physics tweak.



> > Again, what do you want them to do then?

> > Refund everyone that already bought the product some money?  You are
> saying
> > that you do not like this, but you are not even saying there are any
other
> > possible solutions.  The only thing they could do is to put a $120 cost
on
> > the new package if you want them to go by your philosophy.

> > Are you saying they should not put out a Compilation pack at all?  Why
> not?
> > If it helps to bring more people into the sim-racing community, I am all
> for
> > it.  Heck, I would not care if they gave N3 away even though I paid my
$50
> > for it.


> > > I believe you can buy the trucks separately...but for those people who
> buy
> > > N3, NL and trucks, they are spending more than double the amount the
new
> > > pack costs.  That was my point.  Who are your best customers...the
ones
> > who
> > > anticipate your work and buy it right away or the late comers who will
> > only
> > > purchase a bargain-bin compilation pack?  For old stuff, that is the
> > > expected pattern.  For current product, I don't expect that.

> > > Marc.





> > > > > I guess in all of the masturbatory fervour regarding F12000 warez
> > > > > downloading and testing, an important development has been
> overlooked
> > > here
> > > > > at r.a.s. (though discussed elsewhere).

> > > > > From the Papy.com website:

> > > > > The NASCAR? Acceleration Pack includes our award winning NASCAR
> > Racing?
> > > 3,
> > > > > NASCAR? Legends, and brand new for 2000: NASCAR? Racing 3
Craftsman
> > > Truck
> > > > > Expansion Pack.  Three top titles in one package for one great
> price.

> > > > > Does anyone have a problem with this package being released in
this
> > > > format?
> > > > > Or are you all happy that you paid full price for N3 and NL and
the
> > > > patches
> > > > > aren't even out for them yet?  I am all for bargain bin
compilations
> > and
> > > > > great deals, but is N4 that close that N3 and NL are just discount
> > > titles?
> > > > > Something doesn't make sense here?

> > > > > I guess I would not want my most loyal early-adopter customers to
> have
> > > to
> > > > > pay more for my CURRENT products than a late adopter.  Old stuff,
> > fine,
> > > > but
> > > > > as I said, do N3 and NL qualify as old already?

> > > > > Marc.

> > > >      I for one am not happy with this sales philosophy at all !! I
was
> > > more
> > > > than willing to purchase the Truck expansion pack for $25-30. But
I'm
> > not
> > > > going to buy this package for what must be $50 or more.

> > > >      I already own Nascar3, don't plan on purchasing Nascar Legends,
> but
> > I

> > > > wanted the trucks. So I guess I'll just pass on this whole deal.
> Another
> > > > dumb ass merchandising plan by Sierra.

> > > > Joel Willstein


ymenar

Papy Acceleration Pack -- thanks to its loyal customers?

by ymenar » Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:00:00


<joke>
Hello, Barton ;)
</joke>

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Stiff on

Papy Acceleration Pack -- thanks to its loyal customers?

by Stiff on » Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:00:00

My name is Jan Johnson I come from Wisconsin...........
I see your into ass kissing! Will you kiss my ass too?
Al Stiff

Jan Verschuere

Papy Acceleration Pack -- thanks to its loyal customers?

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Does the word respect have any meaning to you at all??

Don't bother replying, you're killfiled.

Jan.
=---

Barton Brow

Papy Acceleration Pack -- thanks to its loyal customers?

by Barton Brow » Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Such as?

BB


> Francois has done a lot more for simracing than you'll be able to accomplish
> in any field in your lifetime. Especially with that attitude.

> Jan.?

Barton Brow

Papy Acceleration Pack -- thanks to its loyal customers?

by Barton Brow » Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:00:00

<no joke>
Bzzzzzzt! Wrong Answer!
</no joke>

> <joke>
> Hello, Barton ;)
> </joke>

Todd Sorense

Papy Acceleration Pack -- thanks to its loyal customers?

by Todd Sorense » Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:00:00

He didn't indicate that Fran has not done a lot for sim racing, only that he
is an ***.



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